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2017 tOSU Special Teams Discussion

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OHIO STATE COULD MAKE CHANGES TO KICKOFF STRATEGY, BUT THERE'S NO SIMPLE SOLUTION

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Ohio State’s kickoffs have been a source of frustration this season for head coach Urban Meyer and Buckeyes fans alike.

After expressing dissatisfaction with Blake Haubeil’s performance as the Buckeyes’ kickoff specialist for the first five games of the season, Meyer replaced Haubeil with Sean Nuernberger for the start of last week’s game against Maryland. That kicker switch only made things worse, however, as Nuernberger clearly struggled in the role, having one kickoff returned for a touchdown while knocking another kickoff out of bounds in an ugly day for Ohio State’s special teams.

Ohio State has already allowed 734 kickoff return yards this season, more than any other team in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

The Buckeyes’ issues on kickoffs appear to stem largely from their kickoff strategy, as Meyer and special teams coordinator Kerry Coombs typically instruct their kickoff specialists to kick the ball into the coffin corner – between the 10-yard line and the end zone and outside the numbers – instead of simply kicking the ball as hard as they can.

The premise behind that strategy is that because Ohio State has so many elite athletes on its kickoff team, the Buckeyes should be able to get to the opposing kickoff returner and bring him down before he can get the ball to the 25-yard line, where an opposing offense would start with the ball on a touchback. That strategy has often worked in the Buckeyes’ favor, even on many occasions this year, as the Buckeyes have made stops inside the 25 on exactly 50 percent – 24 of 48 – of their kickoffs this season.

That strategy can easily backfire, however, because it requires the kicker to hit the ball with precise accuracy and significant hangtime in order to execute it properly. And Ohio State has yet to find a kicker who can do that consistently – the Buckeyes even gave walk-on Bryan Kristan a shot against Army, but his lone attempt resulted in a kickoff out of bounds – this season, resulting in illegal kickoff penalties and long kickoff returns on some of Ohio State’s other kickoffs that have given opposing teams better field position.

Because of that, many Ohio State fans have been asking a simple question: "Why don’t the Buckeyes just kick the ball through the end zone?"

Meyer, however, says the answer isn’t that simple.

"We have trouble kicking it through the end zone too," Meyer said Tuesday on the Big Ten teleconference. "If it was that simple, I’d do that. It’s more complicated than that."

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ickoff-strategy-but-theres-no-simple-solution

Re: Ohio State has already allowed 734 kickoff return yards this season, more than any other team in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

and that isn't good.
 
I think one of the reasons why we've allowed 734 yards in kickoff returns is that we kick off so often. In fact, we rank 35th in the country in KO coverage (18.35 yards per return) party because we've kicked off 44 times (40 returns, 4 touchbacks). Only Alabama has kicked off more times (50 total, 25 returned, 25 touchbacks), and no team has allowed anywhere near the amount of returned kickoffs as we have. The few big returns we've given up (TD to Maryland and one long return to Army (or UNLV?)) have happened when the kicker kicked the ball towards the middle, in between the hashes. When the ball is kicked where it's supposed to be, our coverage has actually been excellent. In fact, if the KO on the Maryland TD return Saturday was kicked like it should've been and the coverage was like it was the rest of the game, our KO coverage average for the season goes from 18.35 yards (35th) all the way down to 14.75 (6th). The key is making sure the kicker kicks the ball within a 10-12 yard window. It's 60 feet (20 yards) between the sideline and the hashes...that allows for a 4-5 yard margin either side. Unless weather conditions are bad, there is no reason why a kid on scholarship at a school the level of Ohio State can't put the ball within an imaginary box 6-7 yards in length and 10 yards in width...every single time. In my mind, no systematic changes to the kickoff plan need to be made...
 
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I think one of the reasons why we've allowed 734 yards in kickoff returns is that we kick off so often. In fact, we rank 35th in the country in KO coverage (18.35 yards per return) party because we've kicked off 44 times (40 returns, 4 touchbacks). Only Alabama has kicked off more times (50 total, 25 returned, 25 touchbacks), and no team has allowed anywhere near the amount of returned kickoffs as we have. The few big returns we've given up (TD to Maryland and one long return to Army (or UNLV?)) have happened when the kicker kicked the ball towards the middle, in between the hashes. When the ball is kicked where it's supposed to be, our coverage has actually been excellent. In fact, if the KO on the Maryland TD return Saturday was kicked like it should've been and the coverage was like it was the rest of the game, our KO coverage average for the season goes from 18.35 yards (35th) all the way down to 14.75 (6th). The key is making sure the kicker kicks the ball within a 10-12 yard window. It's 60 feet (20 yards) between the sideline and the hashes...that allows for a 4-5 yard margin either side. Unless weather conditions are bad, there is no reason why a kid on scholarship at a school the level of Ohio State can't put the ball within an imaginary box 6-7 yards in length and 10 yards in width...every single time. In my mind, no systematic changes to the kickoff plan need to be made...
If your whole plan comes down to a kicker having pinpoint accuracy, it might be too complicated. Just find somebody that can kick the ball out the back of the endzone. And the long return by Army was kicked to the corner, but the coverage whiffed. The returner was right at the pylon when he fielded it. Trying to be too cute with the kick + poor tackling is not a good game plan, IMO.
 
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If your whole plan comes down to a kicker having pinpoint accuracy, it might be too complicated.
Kicking the ball into a 10x10 yard box when you have no one rushing you and you can essentially kick at your leisure is not exactly having to be "pinpoint" accurate. IIRC, last year we really didn't have many kicks near the center of the field.

Just find somebody that can kick the ball out the back of the endzone.
Not too many college kickers can do that with consistency.

And the long return by Army was kicked to the corner, but the coverage whiffed.
Which was addressed and subsequently corrected (so far).

When I get home from work, I'll crack open a beer or two and research our KO coverage for this year more in depth...
 
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I think one of the reasons why we've allowed 734 yards in kickoff returns is that we kick off so often. In fact, we rank 35th in the country in KO coverage (18.35 yards per return) party because we've kicked off 44 times (40 returns, 4 touchbacks). Only Alabama has kicked off more times (50 total, 25 returned, 25 touchbacks), and no team has allowed anywhere near the amount of returned kickoffs as we have. The few big returns we've given up (TD to Maryland and one long return to Army (or UNLV?)) have happened when the kicker kicked the ball towards the middle, in between the hashes. When the ball is kicked where it's supposed to be, our coverage has actually been excellent. In fact, if the KO on the Maryland TD return Saturday was kicked like it should've been and the coverage was like it was the rest of the game, our KO coverage average for the season goes from 18.35 yards (35th) all the way down to 14.75 (6th). The key is making sure the kicker kicks the ball within a 10-12 yard window. It's 60 feet (20 yards) between the sideline and the hashes...that allows for a 4-5 yard margin either side. Unless weather conditions are bad, there is no reason why a kid on scholarship at a school the level of Ohio State can't put the ball within an imaginary box 6-7 yards in length and 10 yards in width...every single time. In my mind, no systematic changes to the kickoff plan need to be made...
Just said everything I came in here to say (with good stats too, OSU has kicked off a LOT). Just execute. This has been too successful previously if done the right way.

The ONLY time I get mad about our KO strategy is situationally. There's times, say late in the game if you score to go up, where the risk is not worth it. Kick it out, don't ruin momentum.
 
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Our kick off team is so damn fast that if we just kick the ball into the end zone (even by 2 yards deep) it'd suicide to run it out.

Johnson got a ball last week about 5 yards deep and decided to give it a whirl and got like to the 10 yard line. Find a way to get it into the end zone and they'll either take a knee or we will get them before they reach the 10
 
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Kicking the ball into a 10x10 yard box when you have no one rushing you and you can essentially kick at your leisure is not exactly having to be "pinpoint" accurate. IIRC, last year we really didn't have many kicks near the center of the field.
Evidently doing it is not within our kickers' skill set, since it seems like every game, the ball is kicked off out of bounds at least once. There is really no excuse for that. If the kicker is not capable of kicking the ball where you want it every kick, kick it straight ahead as far as you can, and then we can deal with the tackling on ST, which is also a problem, but we have more coaches that can teach tacking than who can teach kicking.
 
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Don't forget most teams spread the other 10 special teams guys from sideline to sideline... we get screwed if they can reverse field because we line everyone up from basically hash to sideline leaving one part of the field wide open...
 
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I am honestly surprise at the level of angst over our kicking. Does it give up some big plays? yes. But I dont recall ever seeing any team force their opponent to start drives inside the 15 after kickoffs as often as this unit does.
That's great, but it is basically a wash, since it seems like every third kickoff there is a big return to a not-very good team, or a kick out of bounds. Right now, who cares, it is Army or Maryland or Bumblefuck Junior College, but against better teams, it will potentially matter.
 
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