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2018-2019 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Basketball' started by OHSportsFan, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. ArmyVet83

    ArmyVet83 Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!

    Truth be told I am not surprised by their play the last three games. The question is, Can they right the ship? The defense is there but not as strong as it needs to be based on their lack of offensive punch. They shot the ball better today but turnovers and fouls (which leads to tentative defense) cost them today.
     
  2. OSU_Buckguy

    OSU_Buckguy Senior

    however talented and reliable the upperclassmen may or may not be, i still expect progress within the season. that's pretty much the only expectation i'll ever set for an ohio state team. we're worse in january than we were in november, though.

    and in terms of in-season progress, i hope we turn out like that 2008 team. they got much better by march.
     
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  3. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri It’s A Beautiful Day

    Team really seems to struggle in the second half. Conditioning? Lack of bench rotation?
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  4. nomatta

    nomatta Junior

    Lack of bench rotation was not the issue today. Everyone on scholarship played a lot.

    We're just not very talented. Our more experienced players are the more limited ones. Kaleb was bad and our guards were bad today. Not a recipe to win on the court of a pretty good Iowa team.

    I honestly don't know if Holtmann can get it turned around or not. Kaleb will be better but the guards need to be better, too, and I don't have a ton of faith in them at the moment. They are hopeless against the zone and I've seen Holt coach well against a zone so it feels like a player limitation/execution problem more than anything, but that's not to say Holtmann can't figure out some things to help these guys play better.
     
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  5. nomatta

    nomatta Junior

    Are we worse? Or are we better scouted and playing better competition (and in tougher environments)?

    Granted, I'd be hard-pressed to argue that we've shown definite progress in any one area. And obviously today Kaleb and the sum of our guard play was much worse than usual.

    Unfortunately CJ and Key are apparently gonna be streaky (or maybe just plain bad, in Keyshawn's case) in conference play, so the tidings are not good ones. The rest of our guards and wings are non-T75 frosh plus Jallow, who showed up today and I imagine will show up again a couple weeks from now.

    Might have actually helped us to have a couple more losses in non-con play, as I think Holt is now realizing the team identity he helped forge earlier isn't going to cut it in this conference this year, thus the different starting line-up and all the minutes for Jallow, Ahrens, and Ledee today. But he can only deal the hand he's got, and I think a lot of the B1G teams are simply better than we are this year.
     
  6. Bestbuck36

    Bestbuck36 Urban Renewal Project

    Dont have a go-to shooter and it's killing us. Still, the defense has also slipped and that cant happen. They dont have offense worth noting, for whatever reason, so the Defense has to stay stellar.

    The shooters have got to find their confident stroke back again. Great seeing Musa hit some shots but the wide open looks are there for other players and they shots arent going down
     
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  7. LitlBuck

    LitlBuck I Don't Want Any Trouble but People Need Banners!

    This guy thinks that the basketball Buckeyes need to go more up-tempo. Not so sure about that but I guess it might be better than the past two games.
    https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/1/12/18180164/ohio-state-basketball-crossroads-2019-chris-holtmann
     
  8. nomatta

    nomatta Junior

    I don't really agree. I don't think we have the quality depth or athleticism to make that work. The article says we have "plenty of athleticism" and I'm like, really? CJ and Washington are average athletes for their positions, Keyshawn, Andre, and Kaleb are all below average. Young can jump but he's not especially quick. Luther is quick but can't really jump. Jallow's a good athlete and then... Ledee? I'd say 75% of the B1G has more athleticism than us.
     
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  9. nomatta

    nomatta Junior

    But I do think we need to be trying to get as much as we can off deflections/in transition and we need to be taking our shot attempts early, our offense gets in the half-court and just stagnates while the zone settles in, we need quick action--couple passes, make a move.

    EDIT: So maybe I sorta agree? I don't think we can make major schematic changes, though. I think it's more just about really trying to get guys to go for those deflections and emphasizing offensive movement and keeping a decent tempo up on that end.
     
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  10. OSU_Buckguy

    OSU_Buckguy Senior

    that's enough for me question any future opinion this writer has about ohio state basketball strategy. while it is true that one way to beat a zone is to push tempo so that the zone doesn't have time to set up, it is also true that this osu team is full of average and below-average athletes who have trouble finishing -- let alone getting themselves in a good position to finish. teams that are better than poor in transition are usually also teams that are better than poor at exploiting the soft middle of a zone (by pass or by penetration) before making a good decision once therein. it's hardly a shocker that we're poor at doing both. this team pushing tempo would be like squeezing a turnip and hoping to find blood.

    on the offensive side of the ball, i think we'll find success only if we do three things: 1) kaleb not putting himself in early foul trouble, 2) making 3-pointers at a good clip (thereby opening things up for kaleb), which primarily rests on jackson, woods, and washington doing what they're capable of doing, and 3) jallow and especially andre playing more like young, which does not mean trying to be a playmaker/distributor/shooter but instead a player willing to get his jersey dirty inside of 8 feet.
     
  11. DZ83CK

    DZ83CK Not Banned

    Unfortunately the talent is just not great right now for OSU. There is no magic answer to curing a talent deficit. All you can do is try and be more fundamentally sound. The upperclassmen consist of a JC transfer who struggles to play well on a consistent basis, a player who Holt recruited while at Gardner Webb and has a lot of games with limited production, and a local product who is a role player who is starting out of necessity.

    TBH, I believe this team really is missing Braxton Beverly and Derek Funderburk as they would have been two of the three or four biggest contributors. With limited time to replace those guys plus the huge losses of KBD and Tate, Holt was kind of hamstrung for this year. Next year when they have some more talent, I think they will be able to do more offensively. That's what I'm going with for now, anyway.
     
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  12. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member Fantasy Baseball Champ

    DATE OPPONENT LOCATION TIME TV RESULT 12-4 (2-3)
    THU 11/01/18 UNC PEMBROKE Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN Plus = W 81–63

    WED 11/7/18 CINCINNATI Cincinnati, Ohio 6 p.m. ESPN2 = W 64-56
    SUN 11/11/18 PURDUE FORT WAYNE Columbus, Ohio 4 p.m. BTN = W 107-61
    THU 11/15/18 CREIGHTON Omaha, Neb. 7 p.m. FS1 = W 69-60
    SUN 11/18/18 SOUTH CAROLINA STATE Columbus, Ohio 2 p.m. BTN Plus = W 89-61

    TUE 11/20/18 SAMFORD Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN Plus = W 68-50
    FRI 11/23/18 CLEVELAND STATE Columbus, Ohio 8 p.m. FS1 = W 89-62
    WED 11/28/18 SYRACUSE Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. ESPN2 = L 62-72

    SUN 12/2/18 MINNESOTA Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN = W 79-59
    WED 12/5/18 ILLINOIS Chicago, Ill. 7 p.m. BTN = W 77-67

    SAT 12/15/18 BUCKNELL Columbus, Ohio Noon BTN = W 73-71
    TUE 12/18/18 YOUNGSTOWN STATE Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN = W 75-56
    SUN 12/23/18 UCLA Chicago, Ill. 3 p.m. CBS = W 80-66
    SAT 12/29/18 HIGH POINT Columbus, Ohio TBD BTN/BTN Plus = W 82-64

    SAT 01/5/19 MICHIGAN STATE Columbus, Ohio Noon FOX = L 86-77
    WED 01/9/19 RUTGERS New Brunswick, NJ 7 p.m. BTN = L 64-61
    SAT 01/12/19 IOWA Iowa City, Iowa 2:30 p.m. BTN = L 72-62
    FRI 01/18/19 MARYLAND Columbus, Ohio 6:30 p.m. FS1
    WED 01/23/19 PURDUE Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN
    SAT 01/26/19 NEBRASKA Lincoln, Neb. Noon BTN
    TUE 01/29/19 MICHIGAN Ann Arbor, Mich. 9 p.m. ESPN/ESPN2
    SAT 02/2/19 RUTGERS Columbus, Ohio Noon BTN
    THU 02/7/19 PENN STATE Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. ESPN/ESPN2
    SUN 02/10/19 INDIANA Bloomington, Ind. 1 p.m. CBS
    THU 02/14/19 ILLINOIS Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. ESPN/ESPN2
    SUN 02/17/19 MICHIGAN STATE East Lansing, Mich. 1 p.m. CBS
    WED 02/20/19 NORTHWESTERN Columbus, Ohio 8:30 p.m. BTN
    SAT 02/23/19 MARYLAND College Park, Md. 2 p.m. ESPN/ESPN2
    TUE 02/26/19 IOWA Columbus, Ohio 7 p.m. BTN
    SAT 03/2/19 PURDUE West Lafayette, Ind. 2 p.m. ESPN/ESPN2
    WED 03/6/19 NORTHWESTERN Evanston, Ill. 9 p.m. BTN
    SUN 03/10/19 WISCONSIN Columbus, Ohio 4:30 p.m. CBS

    2018 BIG TEN MEN'S BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT
    TBD TBD TBD TBD TBD
     
  13. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Ohio State men’s basketball | On radio show, Chris Holtmann talks frustration with foul calls on Kaleb Wesson
    By Adam Jardy
    The Columbus Dispatch
    Posted Jan 14, 2019 at 6:59 PMUpdated Jan 14, 2019 at 7:02 PM

    Two days after the Ohio State men’s basketball team lost at Iowa, marking three straight Big Ten losses for the Buckeyes, coach Chris Holtmann hosted his weekly radio show.

    If you couldn’t listen, here are the highlights.

    *There is a balance to showing film from losses between harping on the negative and ignoring it. Holtmann said this situation is challenging his team.

    “One of the things we’re learning with this team is when you start out 12-1 you don’t have experience going through a time like this and you’re trying to take the temperature of your team to see where they’re at,” he said. “That’s why we’re trying to have regular meetings one on one with our players and discuss as much as we can.”

    *Freshman Justin Ahrens played the most-significant Big Ten minutes of his career at Iowa, and Holtmann said the forward has been ideal in practiced this year.

    January 14, 2019
    “Justin has had what you hope for from every freshman in that he’s had an everyday approach,” he said. “The reason I’m so confident he’s going to be a really good player in our system in time is he’s had the model approach and attitude every day. He loves Ohio State, loves this place and cares about Ohio State winning. He’s got some real tools as a player. There’s no question there’s an adjustment period for him as a freshman. Good to see him healthy.”

    *A submitted question asked how many losses a Big Ten team could have and win the league.

    “It’s a good question,” he said. “I don’t know. I don’t think the league champion would have as few as two losses like Michigan State did last year. The last time that we went 15-3 or had that percentage in league play, and it was our team that was No. 1 in the country that year. The league was different. It wasn’t as deep as it is this year. Michigan and Michigan State, they’re playing very well and I don’t know how many losses they’ll have but I think it will be more than what Michigan State had last year.”

    *Sophomore center Kaleb Wesson has been in foul trouble in each of the last three games, and Holtmann said he’s addressed it with “the powers that be” in the Big Ten.

    “I don’t want to get into the specifics, but I’ve made my feelings known in a variety of ways,” he said. ”(I’ve) tried to communicate my concerns at how I think he is being officiated and how I don’t think there is always, there’s no question that he has fouled at times I don’t think every one of them has been a foul. I also think he’s being held and grabbed way too much at the other end. People talk about freedom of movement for drivers, there’s times he can’t move. He should be given the same amount of freedom at the other end.

    “Having said that, we bear responsibility making sure Kaleb’s fundamentals are absolutely on point. The other day, he still played with two fouls in the first half and I don’t know how much it limited us as a team. I think in other games, it has. That’s not the reason we lost the game the other day. But I’m disappointed with a few things on that, but we’ve got to take accountability for it, we’ve got to coach him better and he’s got to respond.”

    Holtmann later added that both coach and player are frustrated with how games have been called against Wesson.

    *Ideally, Holtmann said 26-28 minutes on a given night would be ideal for Wesson given how much the Buckeyes ask him to do at both ends of the court.

    *There’s no such thing as thinking too much about the 21 turnovers the Buckeyes had against Iowa on Saturday, evidently.

    “I don’t mind if they’re thinking about it because the reality is that’s limiting us as a team right now,” Holtmann said. “We had turnovers that were a by-product of just carelessness. Give Iowa’s length credit, but really careless passes. I think we had some offensive fouls that led to turnovers, but I just think we had a couple games where we were good in that area but we have really taken a step back. Perhaps that’s a situation where the ball’s not in the right guys’ hands enough, and that’s on me. We played a lot of guys the other day, so the ball was in a lot of different guys’ hands. That can be a situation that can lead to some more turnovers.”

    *Holtmann said freshman Duane Washington Jr. is working through some fatigue right now.

    “Duane’s got to continue to have a feel for what’s a good shot and what’s not a good shot,” he said. “I think he’s getting a little better in that area, but he’s missed some very good looks. That happens when you’re a freshman. He has to understand that he can impact our team in other ways than just making shots. That’s a constant reminder for him. He’s hit some very important, timely shots for us, but I think there is a level of fatigue with him a little bit right now and he’s just got to work his way through it.”

    *A submitted question asked about guard CJ Walker, who is sitting out the season after transferring from Florida State.

    “Transfers sometimes get a little forgotten about, but he’s a tremendous person and I think going to be a really good player for us,” Holtmann said. “He’s really helped us in practice. He’s a bulldog. He is a tough, competitive guy. He just has to continue to understand our system, stay in great shape. He’s doing extra (conditioning) work. He’s been a resource for some of these young guys to lean on as well. He’s played a lot of the scout team point guard for us and done a great job with that stuff, offensively and defensively.”

    Last season, Holtmann said, walk-on transfer Danny Hummer was given a waiver to allow him to travel with the team during the second semester. The Buckeyes have put in a similar one for Walker.

    *The Buckeyes continue to work on their matchup zone defense.

    “We have it in,” he said. “We’ve used it on occasion. I was just talking to a very well-known coach today who runs a matchup zone as his secondary defense. We were talking a little bit about how much they’re practicing it right now. Defensively we’ve got to get better, but collectively throughout the year we’ve bene good. Offensively is where we’ve really struggled the last three games.”

    In a perfect world, Holtmann said he’d prefer to basically be an exclusively man-to-man defensive team.

    “We have seen more zone than I have probably ever seen through 16 games,” Holtmann said. “We have been effective at times. It’s part of the reason why I think we’re going to work on our zone defense more in practice because we’re going to have to work more on our zone offense.”

    *The Buckeyes stuck around after practice Sunday to get extra shots up, Holtmann said. Monday was a mandatory day off.

    https://www.buckeyextra.com/sports/20190114/ohio-state-mens-basketball--on-radio-show-chris-holtmann-talks-frustration-with-foul-calls-on-kaleb-wesson
     
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  14. nomatta

    nomatta Junior

    Great stuff from Jardy. The end really stuck out to me. It was unclear to me whether Holtmann is saying that they are practicing zone more now as a secondary defensive option, but I hope they are--and I think he was implying that they are? Or at least he says that he thinks they will be practicing it more. I agree with Holt that our defense is decent and I don't think it needs a major change in and of itself, but it helps to have another option to confuse opponents and, more importantly in our case, it could help our offense if it mitigates some of Kaleb's foul issues at all. And maybe even more importantly than that was Holtmann's last point:

    “We have seen more zone than I have probably ever seen through 16 games,” Holtmann said. “We have been effective at times. It’s part of the reason why I think we’re going to work on our zone defense more in practice because we’re going to have to work more on our zone offense.”
     
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  15. LitlBuck

    LitlBuck I Don't Want Any Trouble but People Need Banners!

    I think the reason that they are practicing more zone defense in practice is twofold. First, it can serve as a backup defense if guys get into foul trouble but I think more importantly Holtmann knows that he is probably going to be seeing more zone defenses as the season progresses until the guys start making shots from the outside. So far this season we had been less than stellar shooting from 3 point land.
     

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