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2018 QB Battle Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by jwinslow, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. Buckeye86

    Buckeye86 I do not choose to discuss it

    I laugh when people worry about bad turnovers with the QB- oh, you mean like an interception on your own 20 against Oklahoma? Or a pick six on the first drive against Iowa? Or an interception that set up an easy touchdown at the end of the first half against Iowa? Or a pick six in the B1G championship game?

    The most experienced, intelligent, cautious QB you are ever going to see on a college field had some truly horrendous turnovers last year.

    I don’t find worrying about that with Haskins a compelling argument to keep the most talented guy off the field.
     
  2. Nigel Tufnel

    Nigel Tufnel Choking on vomit

    You list a few such incidents with JT. If you triple that for another QB, you’d rethink that (I hope). There is good reason to worry about a QB taking care of the ball. I’m quite positive the coaching staff is very concerned about that. I’m sure that and many other factors will be evaluated as they make their final decision. Lots of talent, good problem to have.
     
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  3. buchtelgrad04

    buchtelgrad04 Pain is an opinion.

    Haskins often times puts too much zip on the ball leading to misfires and sailing balls. Burrow seems to be late on the long ball and lacks the arm strength to lead a streaking WR down the field.

    I think I'd go with Haskins because of the different dynamic it seems his arm can bring. I trust Joe a lot though, whenever the ball leaves his hands, I always feel like it's going to be caught by a WR or an incomplete pass. Never concerned about an INT with Joe.
     
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  4. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    Burrow competed, didn't run his mouth all spring, balled out about as much as possible in the spring game, and still might not be the guy. I like what he's saying now. No bitching, no idle threats. He's done his time and put in the work. He wants to be our qb and is good enough to do it. He's also plenty good enough to play somewhere else and if he graduates and goes to Nebraska to play for Frost. I'll be a Husker fan for most of the season.
     
  5. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    Pundits seem to be split about 50-50 on who's got the inside track. We'll just have to see how this thing turns out.
     
  6. Buckeye86

    Buckeye86 I do not choose to discuss it

    Yes, in a hypothetical scenario where Ohio State’s starting QB has thrown 30 interceptions, I will reevaluate my opinion on who would be the most effective starter.
     
  7. Nigel Tufnel

    Nigel Tufnel Choking on vomit

    Haskins May be the guy. He may not be. If he’s not, it’s possible that ball security is part of the reason. So you are free to laugh at that notion or worry over “bad turnovers” as your original post indicates, but you’ll be laughing alone.
     
  8. MSURacerDT55

    MSURacerDT55 Purveyor of the big fella

    That's because the majority of his passes are at or around 10 yards
     
  9. buchtelgrad04

    buchtelgrad04 Pain is an opinion.

    Well, yeah, that plays a part in it. Lol.
     
  10. buckeyemania11

    buckeyemania11 HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE!!!

    If we can dink and dunk opponents to death, i'm all for it. Just get the ball out accurately and in a timely fashion.
     
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  11. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    Works for the current premiere dynasty in the pros.
     
  12. wigmon

    wigmon Sophmore

    Don't have a dog in the fight and didn't read the entire thread, but obviously both QB's have strengths and weaknesses and I think its obvious the coaches don't have a clear cut guy. No question Haskins has more zip on his passes. I think Joe is more apt to take the safer throw (beauty in the eye of the beholder in that one). Sounds as if Joe runs it better, so if the zone read is to remain a key part of the offense and both are close in grades for passing the ball, you'd think Joe might be the better option. Neither QB is entirely deficient in the others strength. both are capable QB's. The main question is, which one fits the style that the coaches are most comfortable executing?

    One other point about last years performance. Obviously Haskins was great in the UM game and other than that one, neither stood out in their time on the field. One thing I do recall thinking last year is why aren't Haskins/Burrow in the game earlier when we are winning by 30 plus, even if it is in the first half. The only answer I have is that coaches didn't really have confidence in either one so while we debate the potential positives of each player, understand that the coaches didn't have enough confidence in either one to put them in the game until the outcome was decided.

    I don't really have an answer to the question based on what I've seen of both. Obviously the coaches have more to sift through than the information any of us has. I don't envy their decision. Based on the style of offense Urban has always run, I tend to think Burrow would be the better choice.
     
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  13. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    Couldn't agree more with the question of why they both didn't get more PT last year. Obviously, Burrow was out with the wrist injury much of the season, but knowing that this QB competition would be coming up and that either way we'd have a new QB this year, who most likely would be one of those two, why wouldn't you get them as much real PT as possible? Although it may've been that they weren't trusted yet with the offense, where does having held them out put us now? The only way you build trust in running the offense is by running the offense and I'd much rather see that when we're up four and you're a back up than when you're a first year starter and the score is 0-0. If UFM was worried about playoff style points and scoring differential, that was obviously, at least post-Iowa, a mistake.
     
  14. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Can Urban Meyer Side With Theory Over Testimony in QB Battle?

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    Theory versus testimony.

    This is one of Urban Meyer’s core recruiting pitches. Other schools will tell recruits what they can do for them, while Ohio State shows them what they have done for so many others.

    It’s theory versus testimony. Meyer can show recruits results (testimony) instead of possibilities (theory). And seeing those results — such as the impact of Real Life Wednesdays or the NFL Draft or postseason success — makes it very difficult for players to ignore.

    The entire Ohio State football program operates on theory versus testimony. Theories are nice, and they will get applied here and there, but if results don’t materialize, then it’s on to something new. They work until they find theories that produce testimony.

    When it comes to the ongoing quarterback competition between Joe Burrow and Dwayne Haskins, I believe theory and testimony will come into play here as well.

    According to Meyer, neither QB separated himself from the other throughout spring camp. Heck, he even said he couldn’t tell you who the No. 3 quarterback was. Redshirt freshman Tate Martell is going to play this season, but if the Buckeyes are going to win a national title, it’s going to be with Joe Burrow or Dwayne Haskins.

    I have no doubts that Martell could lead the Buckeyes to at least 10 wins this season, but the problem hasn’t been the tenth win. It’s been the 13th or 14th or 15th.

    Ohio State needs the quarterback that puts them over the top and allows them to reach their full potential.

    And that’s when we come back to theory versus testimony.

    In Saturday’s spring game, we saw what Joe Burrow could do. He was the most consistent passer on the day, completing 15-of-22 passes for 238 yards and two touchdowns. Haskins, meanwhile, completed 9-of-19 passes for 120 yards and two touchdowns. Burrow was essentially twice as productive as Haskins and is also a better runner.

    But this was just one practice out of 15, and just one day of information out of the three months of data they have been collecting.

    Three weeks ago, even Joe Burrow knew not to put too much stock in the spring game.

    “The spring game really isn’t too important,” he said. “It’s really your body of work throughout spring ball and your consistency throughout it.”

    Meyer said after the game that he would meet with offensive coordinators Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day about the quarterback situation, and then do so again this week.

    They saw plenty of good and great things this spring, but there apparently wasn’t the kind of separation that they were hoping to see.

    You know how the old boxing adage has it that the challenger has to convincingly beat the champ to win the title? That’s probably applicable to the Ohio State quarterback competition as well.

    Joe Burrow was given the opportunity to win the job, which was what he wanted to hear from the coaches during the offseason. What he may not have known, however, was that not only would he have to outplay Dwayne Haskins, but he would also have to make the theory of Burrow as the starting quarterback more convincing than the testimony that Haskins provided back in November in Ann Arbor.

    Remember the 2015 quarterback battle between Cardale Jones and J.T. Barrett? Jones’ testimony in the 2014 College Football Playoffs was resounding, and it was enough to keep him entrenched until further testimony came along.

    Right now, Haskins is the only Ohio State quarterback with testimony, and it is triumphantly dangling around the necks of the Buckeyes in the form of yet another pair of Gold Pants.

    That is powerful proof of what Haskins can do for the Buckeyes.

    Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/04/urban-meyer-theory-testimony/
     
  15. kujirakira

    kujirakira Senior

    I hate this kind of flip-flopping w/ QBs. Just watch the Michigan series on Amazon to see how that plays out.
    Or our own season in 2015.
    It also divides the locker room ... how many incompletions are too many? How many interceptions? There's already so much pressure on QBs to perform or get replaced within the sport... having their own coaches hang that swinging axe above a player's head is setting them up for failure.
    Pick a dude and ride him. I've stated my slight personal preference, but respect coaches' decision and hope they stick with whoever they chose. Only caveat is if we start losing games attributable to QB play... and then you make the switch decisively during/after that game.
     

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