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2018 QB Battle Discussion

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buckeye4ever21 said:
He's already more consistent than Cardale! Honestly I've never really been impressed with Cardale, a lot of his deep balls were more Devin smith making plays than they were great throws by him. Don't get me wrong he put them close so Devin could make plays but he honestly never really showed consistency as a QB. Haskins has been in a system in HS where he was used to slinging it all over the field in a west coast system, and you can tell the confidence and the advanced skills he's developed because he's able to go in the game comfortable with ice in the veins and make clutch throws. The windows he's able to put the ball in are unbelievable but he does have a tendency to let a couple throws get away from him every now and then (Mack PI and Victor back shoulder). He needs some work when running the read option because you can see he makes quite a few of the wrong reads. His running is serviceable but his arm really opens up the run game.
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Our problem with Haskins is he isn't a prototypical Meyer QB, in that he has the potential to be a starting NFL QB, perhaps even an elite NFL QB. Alex Smith being the outlier, but Meyer didn't recruit him. Meyer QBs run the read option well, throw decently, run well, make good decisions within the system, and don't get drafted early. Haskins probably will be around for 2 more years, but with how he can sling it with his accuracy and his arm strength, he COULD have a Heisman type year and leave early. Burrow will likely transfer and now we have 1 QB on the roster (plus I would assume someone from the 2019 class). I can't believe Urban isn't going harder at more QBs. We really NEED 2 in this class and we may end up with none.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Unless Martell has clearly jumped Burrow as #2, Burrow would be stupid to transfer seeing as he'd be just one play away from being the starter...
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That's the catch though, he's a healthy Haskins away from holding a clipboard until his eligibility is spent.

He wouldn't be stupid, he'd be looking out for his own best interest.

If I understand it correctly he's due to graduate and has clearly been supplanted by a younger player. He can take his degree and go find a starting gig elsewhere as he pursues his graduate degree.

Maybe he wants to stay for other reasons but on the surface, I'd say he's the prototypical candidate to transfer.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
That's the catch though, he's a healthy Haskins away from holding a clipboard until his eligibility is spent.

He wouldn't be stupid, he'd be looking out for his own best interest.

If I understand it correctly he's due to graduate and has clearly been supplanted by a younger player. He can take his degree and go find a starting gig elsewhere as he pursues his graduate degree.

Maybe he wants to stay for other reasons but on the surface, I'd say he's the prototypical candidate to transfer.
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Dwayne also let slip that he's been the clear #2 all year long. Now whether that was just an initial thing that was made permanent by the injury, we can't be sure. But he quickly back tracked when someone asked a follow up if he was told that he was the definite #2 all along. He said that was a coaching decision. Nothing wrong with what he said, just a youthful moment.
 
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brodybuck21 said:
in my non expert opinion Burrow is/could be a better passing/throwing QB than JT with the same mobility. Now can he LEAD like JT (if given the chance) that is the $$$ question.....

i just feel he is better suited than Haskins for what Urbz wants to do
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I still feel this way but damn Haskins looked pretty good yesterday
 
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I really hope Burrow stays around, he's an Ohio kid and OSU was likely his dream school. I think he could play pretty well in this offense but I wouldn't be surprised if he transfers. Ohio U would be a likely destination, hometown Athens and I believe his dad coaches there. In a perfect world though I'd love to keep both for QB depth next year.
 
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I still think there will be a competition between Haskins and Burrow. Burrow has shown an ability to run better than Haskins. I feel like Burrow is a mold of JT, not as good runner but better accuracy and arm talent. Haskins seems like a better pro style QB in the mold of Cardale. I think Cardale was stockier and had the ability just to run over guys.

It will be an interesting competition. I think the Oline and receiving corp will have alot to do with who ends up winning out. If we can rely on a spread passing game, Haskins wins out. If we have to lean on the read option and running the ball with both the QB and RBs, I think Burrow gets the edge.
 
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Haskins convinced me with his total performance in The Game that he can be the starter next year or be dependable this year. He's come a long way since the beginning of the season. I hope Burrow stays but don't blame him if he wants to go and not have to compete against Haskins for the starting job. If Haskins is the starter next year for an entire season he would probably look at leaving early for the NFL. i don't blame any kid for going because there's so much money there. Martel is the wild card in all this. He's a winner and a great competitor.
 
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jwinslow said:
He is a below average runner. The concern is what happens when things break down and Urban is tempted to go back to his beloved wildcat running attack. He did it with a below average option QB in Cardale (and please don't confuse scrambling ability with agility and quickness when the entire D is watching you on the option ).

You are absolutely right that you can win big with a QB like Haskins, assuming he cleans up the turnovers. We've yet to see Urban move beyond the qb run as the feature of the offense. He's tried a few times and never succeeded. Naturally there were weaknesses of Cardale and JT that limited that but it's still a concern.
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I agree with this and that's why I think Burrow will get a chance to compete. The difference between Cardale and Haskins as a runner is Cardale was stockier. Cardale seem to have a strong lower body that he could drive after contact. I just don't know Haskins is built for 3rd and short to run at all.
 
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inliner311 said:
I agree with this and that's why I think Burrow will get a chance to compete. The difference between Cardale and Haskins as a runner is Cardale was stockier. Cardale seem to have a strong lower body that he could drive after contact. I just don't know Haskins is built for 3rd and short to run at all.
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That's why you turn and hand the ball to your stable of talented RBs!

I think there's no competition in reality between Haskins and Burrow. Haskins will be the starter next year. I haven't seen one time where the staff thought twice about putting in Burrow in garbage time, it was always Haskins. Yesterday, the staff didnt hesitate to put on Haskins, and ride him out. Burrow wasn't thought to be brought in to even get in the victory formation. Good, solid Ohio kid, I root for him, but Haskins is just better. It happens in sports. Haskins has an NFL arm, good enough legs when plays break down, and a mentality to take over games, and not falter under the lights. All things you want in a QB. I fear with Burrow that in big games Meyer will once again run his QB to death and it'll stall our offense and not properly utilize our RBs. We have 2 very good RBs this year, and 2 more coming in next year, not to mention an uber talented kid in McCall who can play multiple positions. Haskins can get the ball to all of them, and not make the team one dimensional. I say let Day create an offense and game plan for Haskins, and allow him to utilize all of the weapons and reduce the predictability when a QB like Barrett/Burrow is under center
 
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Buckeyebred97 said:
I really hope Burrow stays around, he's an Ohio kid and OSU was likely his dream school. I think he could play pretty well in this offense but I wouldn't be surprised if he transfers. Ohio U would be a likely destination, hometown Athens and I believe his dad coaches there. In a perfect world though I'd love to keep both for QB depth next year.
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If Burrow decides to transfer, he would have much better options than the Bobcats. Any high major school in immediate need of a QB would jump on him. If he leaves as a grad transfer, I just hope he doesn't stay in the B1G. We'll see....
 
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brodybuck21 said:
in my non expert opinion Burrow is/could be a better passing/throwing QB than JT with the same mobility. Now can he LEAD like JT (if given the chance) that is the $$$ question.....

i just feel he is better suited than Haskins for what Urbz wants to do
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Personally, I don't want a QB that can do what Urban wants to do. The quarterback needs to make good decisions and distribute the ball. Urban wants the quarterback to be the running back. It's stupid, as evidenced by the QB having the most carries in all his losses and several of his needlessly close games
 
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