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2018 QB Battle Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by jwinslow, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. scarletngray

    scarletngray Gold Pants

    Tate has a ways to go but could be dangerous in some RO packages. Haskins had a solid game but Joey stood out imho. We will get 2 years out of Joey if he's named the starter. One, maybe two out of Haskins. If Haskins and Burrow were even coming into today I think you would have to give Joey the nod at this point.
     
  2. pianobuck46

    pianobuck46 pianobuck46

    After seeing the spring game, I rest my case......Burrow's the guy. :urban2:
     
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  3. kujirakira

    kujirakira Senior

    I wonder how much this comes down to the OLine.
    Haskins is the better NFL prospect... but can the OLine consistently provide the pass pro in a conference littered with great DLines?
    Burrow is the Ohio kid that's steadily improved every year and more easily slides into the system left by Brax and JT ... but frankly, I don't want to see that system in 2018. I don't want another loss to Dantonio b/c we're relying too much on the QB to do everything when we're loaded at the skill positions.
    I'm ready to see a QB that can sling it and rely on 3 monster RBs. We've got the studs that QB shouldn't be leading rusher any game in 2018. Shouldn't be *THE* guy on 3rd and 3 with an empty backfield.
    I'm ready to see a QB that makes our WRs better. If we can't get back on track with that position after Thomas - who we never fully utilized - that recruit pipeline will dry up.

    I kind of hate this because it feels like 2005 and 2015 all over again... both years we should have been in the Final playing for everything if not for stupid crap.
    Frankly, I was ready to see Haskins start against Wisconsin. I say that as somebody that thought JT should be the hands-down starter over Braxton and Cardale. But it's past due to adapt the offense... defenses have already adapted to what we're doing with QB runs.

    All that said, I'd be gutted to see either of these guys leave. But there can only be 1... and I strongly prefer the direction one of them takes the offense, and full confidence he can do the job given what he's already accomplished in The Game last year. It doesn't get more high pressure than coming in against our hated rival, desperate for a win and stymying the offense all day long, to lead a comeback half.
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2018
  4. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    I really want to want Burrow. I really, really do. He had a great day and he can be a great tOSU qb... but there is magic in some of Haskins' throws, legit magic. They get there tight, on a line, in a hurry, and where only the receiver can catch them. I've not seen passes like these from our qb's. TMart has some magic, too, some jazz, a quicker version of JTB. I'll be happy with any of them, but I'd like to see a Haskins-Martell combo, even knowing that if you could only have one, Burrow should be the one.
     
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  5. Systems_id

    Systems_id Senior

    I think I want Haskins for the sole fact that it guarantees our RBs get more carries. I’m afraid Burrow would get run into the ground if he started.
     
  6. sflbuck

    sflbuck Junior

    I am good with whatever the coaches decide. They have way more data points that we fans have.

    My take is both had the moments yesterday. Burrow showed more consistency, but Haskin's ceiling is very high.
     
  7. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun

    I'd name Burrow the starter.

    I'd make sure there was a clear understanding with him and his family that performance in games is what counts and if for some reason that doesn't happen in the fall, then Haskins is getting a shot.

    IMO, what is best for the program in the fall of 2018 is all 3 of these guys being on the roster. There isn't that big of a difference in them and you need the depth.

    I think it would be foolish to encourage Burrow to transfer out at this point.
     
  8. Buckfan09

    Buckfan09 Newbie

    Yesterday’s scrimmage should elevate Joe Burrow over Dwayne Haskins’ performance against TSUN.
     
  9. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Embrace the Hate

    I agree with everything here, except Haskins would be my starter. Haskins gives the Buckeyes a different offensive identity. My fear with Burrow at the helm is a continuation of the same old play calling, including the infuriating rollout that they ran with him yesterday. We have an amazing wealth of talent at the RB position and WR position, let’s use it.
     
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  10. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun

    I think we are safe there. I saw nothing that leads me to believe they will fall in love with the QB run if Burrow or Haskins are the QB.

    I also didn't see the level of passing ability from Martell that I thought I would see. I have honestly thought he would challenge for the starting role sometime in '18 but he looked pretty far away from that in the scrimmage.

    Clearly a two horse race with Martell coming in for short yardage/red zone packages in my non-expert opinion.
     
  11. Jagdaddy

    Jagdaddy Senior

    Let's not assume that Haskins being named the starter means that they don't run him too much too not withstanding his slightly lesser ability as a runner. I didn't see the Spring game (F U Xfinity). That said, there's no reason why either Burrow or Haskins shouldn't be able to run the table until the playoff. So, what really matters to me is which one can get the ball out on time and to the right place and stretch the field with Clemson or Alabama's front four in his grill. If Haskins seems to have has a clear advantage there, go with him. If not, and if Burrow has in fact shown better so far and continues to do so through fall camp, give him the nod.
     
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  12. sflbuck

    sflbuck Junior

    I am not sure if they name Burrow the starter that Haskins stays. Burrow has 2 years which means, baring a change, Haskins sits until his senior year. If he transfers before the fall, he would sit for 1 year, but then have 2 to play.
     
  13. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I doubt if Burrow is named starter that Haskins stays. And I hope they wouldn't yank one unproven QB mid season in favor of another unproven QB. Ride with your decision. This is different than 2015, in that year, both starter and backup QBs had starting experience.

    What's best for the program is a clear vision with whomever the starter is. But like has been stated so many times above, Haskins brings a more higher ceiling to the offense, and fits the ball in spaces, along with leading WRs. I'd be happy with either, but I saw Haskins put balls on the money for WRs to make plays. I didn't see that with Burrow. Once Burrow graduates, he deserves an immediate decision, after that it's up to him to decide if he wants to stay or not if he loses the spot. I respect him if he leaves because he's good enough to start
     
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  14. Buckeye86

    Buckeye86 I do not choose to discuss it

    I think a lot of the players think/feel Haskins will be/should be the starter.

    I have no doubt that Burrow would be an effective starting QB, but I think Haskins is the choice of the locker room, and unless there is a clear difference in terms of performance, which there isn’t, I think you have to go with Haskins or risk losing some chemistry amongst the team.

    I also think Burrow is less of a problem as the backup because he can either 1) have no hard feelings as he transfers to a great opportunity for him to play from day one at another school or 2) is truly all in with the team as the backup.

    I do not think having Haskins as the backup is that “clean.”

    I feel for Burrow, and once again think he absolutely could be a great starter at OSU, I just think you have to go with Haskins unless there is a clear difference, and there is not.
     
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  15. Buckeye86

    Buckeye86 I do not choose to discuss it

    I also think using Martell as a read option safety blanket in certain situations also points to Haskins as the starter.

    If it was just Burrow v Haskins, I think Burrow’s superior ability to execute the read option would be a much larger factor, possibly to the point of giving Burrow the starting edge.

    However, you have Martell sitting there to throw in the game to run read option in short yardage situations, and it diminishes (possibly greatly) the biggest advantage Burrow has in the competition.
     
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