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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by bukIpower, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Bill Lucas

    Bill Lucas Senior

    Bosa isn't a rising star. He's a star already and would be a top draft pick this year if he were draft eligible. I agree with bukipower about Okudah stepping right in.
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  2. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    I think a ton of us are not valuing Arnette properly too.. He's big and in my personal opinion he's been fantastic after a rough first game or two.

    I really really like the secondary next year... Experience and Size all over the place.
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  3. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    No, I'm aware of the insurance policies, but if the kids dream is to play in the NFL, regardless of where he grades won't matter. He certainly has NFL talent, and besides your real money is in your 2nd contract anyway. His upside can be enough for a team to take. IMO, what's best for him is a paycheck, you can get better playing against the best competition. I'd love for him to come back being a Buckeye fan, but as an adult I think he should do what's best for him and his family
  4. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I may have worded it wrong, but I definitely think that Okudah will step up and could earn a starting spot. I thought I said that, sorry if I didn't. But I disagree on the play of Arnette and Sheffield neither impressed me.

    When I said "rising star" I meant as someone who will play every down next year as opposed to this year. It wasn't a knock on him because yes, he's a star(B1G DPOY). But I thought this year, the depth helped him a lot because OLs were obviously worn down from going after the waves of DL that we had.
  5. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    It definitely matters monetary-wise. Unless he is in a financial bind, it's definitely in his best interest to raise his draft stock.

    So, you're saying that he should skip his senior year because he could get injured, but yet his "real money" in the NFL would be in his second contract, which would be several years into his time in the NFL where the physical toll and risk of injury is far greater and could prevent him from even getting to that "real money". And while I'm aware that he has NFL talent and enough upside for a team to take, it's how much talent teams think he has and where they will take him.

    I bet you don't haggle much in job interviews. What best for him is not an immediate pay check, but setting himself up for a much bigger paycheck. You keep mentioning his family...I checked his bio and it appears he's still single, so it's not like he's like the players who already have a wife and kid to support.

    Quick personal experience that sort of fits in: After I went through USAF basic training, they did not have a technical school slot open for me and several others in my just-graduated flight (a flight is organizational level below squadron), so they put us in "Casual" barracks, which basically is being in limbo until your get your orders to tech school. Ever couple weeks, an SP (security police, USAF equivalent of an MP), would come in and ask if anyone would like to become an SP so they could get out of Casual and "get into the real Air Force". The SP tech school was literally blocks away, and all one had to do was waive the agreement in their enlistment contract that guaranteed the choice of job...they could be out of Casual in a day or two and be in a tech school where you could basically have a life. Now, Casual itself wasn't bad...all we had to do was go around base doing odd taskings like policing up areas and assisting with food prep and cleaning dishes the chow halls. It was menial, but not bad. Still, we'd have a couple impatient knuckleheads who'd want to get out of Casual so bad that they'd agree to waive their enlistment contract when that SP would come around, and have to spend the rest of their 4-6 year enlistment as a cop instead of what they wanted. Each time I was asked, I told him thanks but no thanks. I had to stick it out for six weeks in Casual (basic training itself was only six weeks long), so at the time it seemed an eternity, but I ended up getting to go to radio comm maintenance tech school and got into the career field that I wanted and eventually got to go overseas. You cannot believe how glad I am to this very day I didn't just "take the paycheck", or in that case, take the lesser job, just to have one.
  6. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I'm no going to quote everything you said, but players want to play against the best at the best level. I feel that you strike while the iron is hot, and its not set that Baker will have a better year next year, I doubt he falls out of the top 3 rounds, from film and when you get him tested in combines. He did look lost at times and over pursued, and can very well do the same thing next year. I think his sights have been on the pros all year and that affected his play some.
    And as far as being able to haggle for jobs, me haggling at a job interview is irrelevant, since I'm not in a job industry where I could face major injury in a split second. One of Bakers favorite players(from his words not mine) is ryan shazier, I'm sure watching that MNF game showed how short this game can be. Its nice to say come back and raise your draft stock, or leave and prove you're ready. I'm sure Cardale wished that he left after 2014 instead of "raising his draft stock". but I guess our discussion is moot until after the season is over and the testing begins. He can always come back and earn a degree but playing against the best in the world for a once in a lifetime paycheck doesn't come by often
  7. jwinslow

    jwinslow It's not the perfection but the direction Staff Member

    Whatever the reason for the distraction or lack of execution, it's not likely to get better after coming back for another season. We're also not talking about Parris Campbell here who is a big unknown in terms of his draft stock. Baker has top-20 talent and measurables. He had top-30 production two years ago. Someone will take him by the late second round on potential alone.
  8. jwinslow

    jwinslow It's not the perfection but the direction Staff Member

    The insurance payouts are notoriously unreliable for actual injuries, and they absolutely do not pay out if he struggles next year and slides further.
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  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Well, fuck it then, let's just have the entire junior and RS sophomore classes declare and "git while tha gittin's gud"...
  10. jwinslow

    jwinslow It's not the perfection but the direction Staff Member

    Make sure to not only put someone else's words in my mouth, but work in ebonics given the player involved :roll1:
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  11. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Wasn't Ebnoics...southern drawl. But thanks for jumping to conclusions.
  12. jwinslow

    jwinslow It's not the perfection but the direction Staff Member

    Because that fits well when discussing Yankee school with almost no drawl on the team.

    Like pnuts'viewpoint in my mouth .

    I think Jerome should go because I don't know if his head is in the right place and I'm not sure another year would be healthy for either side. If he balls out again next month vs usc, his stock will be fine
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017
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  13. buckeyesin07

    buckeyesin07 Veni. Vidi. Vici.

    Jones has been slowed by injury, for sure, but the guy's ceiling is a mile high. I would expect him to go through the eval process, and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a glowing review. And if that happens, he's gone.
  14. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun


    I don't think there is any question he is gone
  15. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I think he comes back because his season has been a slight disappointment. He hasn't been a known commodity like Baker and is quite undersized for NFL DTs. Crazier things have happened and he may say "screw it, I'm ready" and leave. But I just see him returning for another year. And that would be a great for this DL

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