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2018 tOSU Offense Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Poe McKnoe, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. Jake

    Jake A new Day dawns ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Feel free to show where I mentioned Tim Beck in my post.

    People have had the same complaints about the offense for years - too many QB runs, not utilizing the RBs, etc.. Even Kevin Wilson's arrival didn't change it. We'll see if Day's promotion makes a difference. I'm inclined to think it has more to do with the change at QB, given JT's skill set and Urban's trust in him. We'll see.
  2. Onebuckfan

    Onebuckfan classof76

    The starting QB will say a lot about how the offense will be structured. Or not. The first play of the year will be an option.
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  3. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    It's been an ongoing theme for a while now.
  4. Jagdaddy

    Jagdaddy Senior

    He just needs to bring the ball with him for the rest of the play after he catches it. I think we'd have seen quite a bit more of him in the passing game last year but for that issue.
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2018
  5. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.



    When Urban Meyer, Tom Herman, and the rest of their offensive staff began installing Ohio State's new offense in the spring of 2012, players inside of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center were introduced to seven different formations in their new coach's spread-to-run shotgun system. While the most notable change from the prior regime appeared to be the permanent removal of a fullback in favor of an additional receiver, the new system would look to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally with multiple receivers lined up from sideline to sideline.

    But of the seven new alignments introduced to the Buckeyes that spring, four of them would overload defenses by featuring three receivers to one side. What had previously appeared to be a gimmick would now become the default.


    n only six short years since the system's installation, Meyer and the Buckeyes have amassed a record of 73-8 while rewriting the offensive record books along the way. Clearly, something is working.

    But during this relatively brief period, the way opponents have defended the team in scarlet and gray has evolved a great deal. Notably, pattern-matching schemes that mesh the spatial responsibilities of zone defenses with man-coverage techniques have become the norm in the modern game. Even the Buckeyes themselves invested heavily in such a philosophy upon the arrival of Chris Ash in 2014, winning a national championship that season after shutting down the vaunted Oregon Duck offense.

    Of the aforementioned eight losses experienced in the Meyer era to this point, though, half have come at the hands of Mark Dantonio of Michigan State and Brent Venables of Clemson, two of the game's premier defensive minds. While Dantonio's system is far simpler on paper than that of Venables, both have found ways to vex Meyer and his staff on multiple occasions, thanks largely to their abilities to take away the inherent advantages gained by the offense's 3x1 formations.

    With three true receivers to one side of the field and only one to the other, the defense is in a difficult position. As former Alabama defensive coordinator and current Georgia head coach Kirby Smart said of the Trips set shown above at a coaching clinic in 2013:

    "We consider it a bastard formation. This set becomes an issue for us. The formation has all the speed receivers to one side and the running strength to the other. We do not want to rotate the free safety down to the weakside with all the speed the opposite way."

    Stretching back to the days of Sid Gillman and Don Coryell, both of whom greatly influenced the likes of Bill Walsh and Lavell Edwards and effectively built the modern passing game as we know it today, offenses have tried to create triangles with their pass routes, giving the quarterback as quick and easy a read as possible.

    Previously, the triangle was often made up by a split receiver, a tight end, and a back releasing out of the backfield. But sets with three capable receivers to already split out like these give the power back to the offense, as the defense's alignment could easily show their play-call before the ball is ever snapped.

    As we'll show, however, defenses have now found countless varieties to counter sets like these in their pattern-matching Quarters systems.


    The first, and most basic, approach to covering a trips set is with straight man-to-man coverage. Instead of worrying about how to trade routes from one defender to another, each player will simply declare which receiver is their responsibility and stick with him throughout the play.

    As seen in the example below, though, this kind of approach can play directly into the offense's hands if they expect it. On this play, the defense is in a traditional 4-3 set with a safety covering the #2 receiver in the slot as they anticipate a run.

    If the offense does throw the ball, that safety is now left on an island with no help to the outside, leaving the corner route wide open for Buckeye receiver K.J. Hill to make a play.

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  6. scarletngray

    scarletngray Gold Pants

    I think we have a solid crop of TE's who now have some experience under their belts (with the exception of Ruckert who is a phenom). Berry is the clear frontrunner and I think will impress with getting the majority of the reps.
  7. Systems_id

    Systems_id Senior

    I'm hoping that playing a QB that can consistently throw an accurate ball nixes the over reliance on QB runs. I don't mind it every couple of plays as a change of pace and to give something the defense has to think about, but the only way the next QB should have more than 10+ carries a game is if he has to scramble.
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  8. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

  9. Poe McKnoe

    Poe McKnoe Senior

    To the short side of the field.
  10. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Todd Boeckman appreciation day?
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  11. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Just Another Man’s Ohio State Football Depth Chart


    1. Dwayne Haskins, rSo
    2. Tate Martell, rFr
    3. Matthew Baldwin, Fr
    Ohio State has three very young and very good quarterbacks. All three of them could start for almost any other Big Ten team this season. Problem is, they only have one spot available and I think that ultimately leads to people transferring out. If Burrow wins the job, I see Haskins transferring out. If Haskins wins the job, I see Burrow transferring out. If Martell wins the job, I would expect both Haskins and Burrow to transfer out. This is a huge decision and the long-term effects for the position could be pretty detrimental depending on who is named the winner. As you can see, I predict Haskins is the man.

    1. J.K. Dobbins, So OR
    2. Mike Weber, rJr
    3. Antonio Williams, rSo
    There is no change in the running back room unless Williams decides to transfer out, which I don’t think he will. There are roughly 15-20 extra carries (45 if it’s a big game) out there for someone with J.T. Barrett gone. I would not be shocked if both Dobbins and Weber rush for over 1,000 yards this season.

    1. Austin Mack, Jr
    2. Binjimen Victor, Jr
    3. Jaylen Harris, rFr
    Just like with the running back room, there are really no changes here when it comes to the depth chart. This is a huge year for this group of guys though. I think Mack really explodes onto the scene this season and becomes the clear-cut number one. Victor is the one I think will benefit from the new strategy the most and may finally reach the potential everyone believes he has.

    1. Johnnie Dixon, rSr OR
    2. Terry McLaurin, rSr
    3. Kamryn Babb, Fr
    Ohio State has shown they love to rotate guys in and out at the wide receiver room. I still wish that K.J. Hill would move outside and start here, but it isn’t going to happen. The biggest question mark is who comes in after Dixon and McLaurin. I wound up going with Babb but there is no scientific thought in that at all. At 6’1” and 190 pounds, he’s got the ideal size to be the type of guy they want over there.

    1. Parris Campbell, rSr
    2. K.J. Hill, rJr
    3. Demario McCall, rSo
    As I mentioned above, I’d love to see Hill move out of this spot just because I think he needs to see the field a lot more. The same goes for McCall, who could be the most dynamic playmaker on the offensive side of the ball. When exactly will McCall be freed?

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  12. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Lots of Ideas, One Voice for Ohio State Offense


    When Ohio State announced that Ryan Day had earned a promotion to offensive coordinator and a raise this past winter, it also raised questions as to the various roles that he and fellow offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson would now have.

    Each step of the way, both Day and Wilson — as well as Urban Meyer — have stated that nothing really has changed in terms of the day-to-day aspect of the offense. It has always been a collaboration of plans and ideas to bring Meyer’s vision for his offense to reality.

    When Meyer has to replace any member of his coaching staff, however, he does so with a desire for that coach to provide ideas and improvements for what the Buckeyes do. In 2014, he went out looking for a defensive coordinator who was familiar with an aggressive defensive style that he preferred, and he ended up with Chris Ash from Arkansas.

    When looking for two new offensive coordinators after the 2016 season, Meyer wanted Wilson and Day to infuse themselves into his offense. The result was more tempo, crossing routes, better quarterback play, and much more.

    The plan this season is to improve in every area, and everybody on the staff has ideas for how to do that. With two coordinators and a head coach, some might think there are now too many voices trying to be heard. Wilson doesn’t see it that way, however.

    “No because quite honestly, we have a lot of voices that have to become solid with one voice as we walk out of the room,” he said. “So there’s a lot of ideas. In years past I would always say, ‘All I’m doing is thinking out loud and I got a lot of stupid thoughts. How about this, how about this, how about this?’ But in the end, you’ve gotta put it together and once you got it put together, it’s what you can block and what your quarterback can do? So, if you can block it and your quarterback can handle it, you can do it.”

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  13. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.



    So, good news. Over 2000 yards of rushing is coming back to the Ohio State offense in 2018. J.K. Dobbins and Mike Weber both averaged over six yards of rushing (and in the case of Dobbins, a lot more than that) in 2017, and while Dobbins got the lion's share of the carries, Weber contributed more than his share to the overall success of a rushing attack that racked up over 243 yards a game.

    That's a paragraph that when people read, they go YEAH LET'S GO, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING, PEW PEW PEW and dream of pulling guards and toss sweeps and whatever else looks super badass when a big dude is streaking down the sidelines for a 54 yard gain. And by "people," I mean me, because more than anyone I desperately want to worship at the feet of a two-headed running game, and believe that it's the best way for Ohio State to roll to greatness in 2018.

    I'll get to the latter point a little bit later, but before we do that, let me devote a few sentences to the myriad ways that my faith has been ignored throughout the years.

    Okay, so here's a really obvious statement that you're already aware of: Ohio State really has had an embarrassment of riches at the running back position during the Urban Meyer era.

    That's not really unique in Ohio State football history. It's a program that mythologizes Three Yards And A Cloud Of Dust and Eddie and Byars and Archie and so on. Especially in recent history, Ohio State has almost always had significant talent ready to go at the beginning of the season, with Option B waiting in the wings.

    The logical conclusion for a running-game embracing fanbase, then, is that Running Back A (aka "Thunder," because he's slightly fatter and slower than the other guy) and Running Back B (aka "Lightning," because he's slightly smaller and faster than the other guy) should just run the ball a combined 60 times a game for 400 yards and 10 touchdowns and then they ascend into heaven on the angelic wings made of pigskin.

    The desire for this beautiful lie is so strong that as a freshman at Ohio State in 2003, I thought that the unstoppable duo of Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall could pull the Buckeyes to a repeat national championship, even with the loss of Maurice Clarett. That didn't work out so well, given that neither of them averaged over 4.5 yards per carry that season.

    Also interesting about that 2003 campaign is this: of the 489 times that an Ohio State player ran the ball that season, Ross got 193 carries and Hall got 97, good for, uh... third, as Craig Krenzel ended up with 109 carries for 2.3 yards per carry. Which (even after considering sacks) sucks, but should seem awfully familiar, sans suckiness at running the ball.

    Because here's the rub. It's not just under Urban Meyer. Over the past few decades, Ohio State has consistently leaned heavily on the quarterback position to supplement the rushing game. Only twice since that 2003 season has an Ohio State quarterback not been one of the top two rushers by volume on the Buckeyes. Players like Terrelle Pryor, Troy Smith, Braxton Miller, and J.T. Barrett have all been an essential part of moving the ball on the ground.

    Which is fine! Braxton single-handedly killed the "Urban has never had a 1000 yard rusher" meme and blew our minds by being a wizard on roller skates, Barrett was the fastest slow man in history, Pryor was really the only functional part of the offenses that he helmed for long stretches of his career, and though Troy Smith eventually won a Heisman on the strength of his passing, it was his legs that helped the 2004 team to a winning record after a dismal start to the season.

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  14. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Another 0-Zone guy's depth chart:

    Best Guessing the Ohio State Depth Chart on Offense — April 6

    With just three practices left in spring camp for the Ohio State football team, we now have a pretty good grasp on where things stand with the depth chart on both sides of the ball. Today, we will focus on the offensive side of the ball, where there will be approximately 84 ORs among the various positions. These are fall projections based on what coaches have said — and also what they haven’t said.

    Injured players have been included as well because they will factor in once fall camp gets underway. The only newcomers listed below are the ones who are currently enrolled.

    7 Dwayne Haskins, rSo OR
    10 Joe Burrow, rJr OR
    18 Tate Martell, rFr
    12 Matthew Baldwin, Fr

    What they are saying: This is still a three-man race and we won’t speak with Urban Meyer again until April 12 on a teleconference. Things could change between now and then. The issue at this point is that nobody has stepped forward and taken the job. Meyer doesn’t want this thing won by default. It’s the most interesting situation in college football right now, or at least it would be if it didn’t appear to be progressing more slowly than an art film.

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  15. MGMT

    MGMT Junior

    If Ruckert demonstrates he’s ready for burn, I really like the idea having both him and Berry on the LOS simultaneously — then motioning one out to put linebackers with them in space. They’re going to create mismatches with their athleticism and I feel like you can further exploit that in brief instances — potentially on first downs when you’ll see base packages defensively.

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