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2019-2020 B1G Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

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despite losing ward, msu will no doubt be the conference favorite heading into the season and should start the season at #1 depending on what happens with uva through the draft. ward was fine coming in off the bench after the injury, but tillman proved to be an upgrade. that's going to be a scary team as long as langford stays healthy. winston, watts, henry, langford, and tillman will be at least as good as any team's best five. a very fast team, too.

i'd expect izzo to pick up a grad transfer big since ward's letter appears definitive. all they have to back up tillman is kithier. i'm not assuming that bingham will add enough weight to be an adequate post defender.
 
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DZ83CK said:
Winston staying isn't the decision a lot of guys in his position would make, but then again Nick Ward leaving is like the other side of that coin. In this day and age, it is certainly unusual for the hoops star who wins B1G POY to return the following season.
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most conference players-of-the-year find themselves on draft boards, though. even after his march, i don't think winston found himself on many -- if any -- draft boards. now you could say that kbd was in a similar spot last year. however, like ward, kbd had been in college for 4 years. guys who have been through 4 years of college and who have graduated usually want to get paid... somewhere.

in pretty much every way, cassius winston is mateen cleaves.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
despite losing ward, msu will no doubt be the conference favorite heading into the season and should start the season at #1 depending on what happens with uva through the draft. ward was fine coming in off the bench after the injury, but tillman proved to be an upgrade. that's going to be a scary team as long as langford stays healthy. winston, watts, henry, langford, and tillman will be at least as good as any team's best five. a very fast team, too.

i'd expect izzo to pick up a grad transfer big since ward's letter appears definitive. all they have to back up tillman is kithier. i'm not assuming that bingham will add enough weight to be an adequate post defender.
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Agreed that Tillman ended up being an upgrade over Ward. Besides Kithier and Bingham they also have Julius Marble coming in, he's more of a 6'8 strength/power guy, but it probably wouldn't hurt to add a grad transfer big if they can.
 
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nomatta said:
Ayo Dosunmu isn't even testing the waters, he is going to be a beast for Illinois next season.
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i was very wrong last year about northwestern being a surprise in our conference. nonetheless, i'm going with that state's other big ten program for next season's surprise. now that they understand underwood's system a little better, the illini should be a very tough out. kofi will give them the back-end protection that giorgi did not. cockburn may not be a flyswatter, but he's a man-child who will give fits to post players like kaleb.
 
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most conference players-of-the-year find themselves on draft boards, though. even after his march, i don't think winston found himself on many -- if any -- draft boards. now you could say that kbd was in a similar spot last year. however, like ward, kbd had been in college for 4 years. guys who have been through 4 years of college and who have graduated usually want to get paid... somewhere.

in pretty much every way, cassius winston is mateen cleaves.
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Cleaves was a lottery pick. Back in 1999, players tended to be more likely to stay in school than nowadays when their NBA stock was not first round worthy.
 
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DZ83CK said:
Cleaves was a lottery pick. Back in 1999, players tended to be more likely to stay in school than nowadays when their NBA stock was not first round worthy.
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are you really going to nitpick on that? after what i stated, you think mateen cleaves ultimately being the 14th draft pick somehow means the parallels between winston and cleaves are not numerous? note that i said "in pretty much every way" -- not "in every way."

how about...?

point guard

cleaves - check
winston - check

from tsun

cleaves - check
winston - check

blue chip recruit

cleaves - check
winston - check

chose msu

cleaves - check
winston - check

btpoy as a junior

cleaves - check
winston - check

all-american as a junior

cleaves - check
winston - check

final four as a junior

cleaves - check
winston - check

surprised many (including you) by returning

cleaves - check
winston - check
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
i was very wrong last year about northwestern being a surprise in our conference. nonetheless, i'm going with that state's other big ten program for next season's surprise. now that they understand underwood's system a little better, the illini should be a very tough out. kofi will give them the back-end protection that giorgi did not. cockburn may not be a flyswatter, but he's a man-child who will give fits to post players like kaleb.
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Yeah, talent-wise there is no reason the Illini shouldn't be a T30-ish team next season, especially with how Giorgi B has panned out for them.
 
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