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wigmon
Heisman
Well, that doesn't mean much without perspective. Is that percentage during inter squad scrimmages, does it include drills, some combination of the 2, who was defending him (none of the other 3s have been healthy). IIRC, Deibler would shoot over 70% in game simulated shooting drills in practice. Of course he also shot over 50% in games.
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OSU_Buckguy
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1. no good coach will ever be pleased -- or at least admit to it -- during preseason camp.
2. my guess is coach relies heavily on walker against cincy and nova before giving carton more minutes (read: more opportunities to learn from mistakes) against lesser competition. hoping carton tries to play a little more like aaron craft at the start and a lot less like d'angelo russell.
3. liddell giving every indication at every turn that he's going to be a major player from the get-go. still expect young to start against cincy and nova, but i don't think the starting spot matters all that much. i'll be surprised if liddell is not at the scorer's table at the first media timeout.
4. wonder if gaffney's rest was rest or "rest." could be a coaching lesson.
5. spent more time than i'd like to admit trying to figure out if it's "scorer's table," "scorers' table," or "scorers table." perhaps i should have weaseled out with "scoring table."
2. my guess is coach relies heavily on walker against cincy and nova before giving carton more minutes (read: more opportunities to learn from mistakes) against lesser competition. hoping carton tries to play a little more like aaron craft at the start and a lot less like d'angelo russell.
3. liddell giving every indication at every turn that he's going to be a major player from the get-go. still expect young to start against cincy and nova, but i don't think the starting spot matters all that much. i'll be surprised if liddell is not at the scorer's table at the first media timeout.
4. wonder if gaffney's rest was rest or "rest." could be a coaching lesson.
5. spent more time than i'd like to admit trying to figure out if it's "scorer's table," "scorers' table," or "scorers table." perhaps i should have weaseled out with "scoring table."
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nomatta
Hall of Fame
I think Holtmann is being sincere when he says the team right now is not as far along as the team was last season at the same stage, but he himself does say that maybe you can attribute some of that to youth.
We were young last season, too, but you had that solid core with the Wesson bros, CJ, Keyshawn, and then how hot Luther came in out of the gates on both ends of the court (and Keyshawn's play, like Luther's, slid in conference but at least he--crucially--came up big at the end of the season).
This season, to start, it really is the Wesson bros and then a bunch of sophomores and freshmen that we will be leaning heavily on. Unfortunate that Jallow's injury setbacks have meant he hasn't really been able to position himself to build off how he finished last season; it'd help to have another upperclassman really red2go to start the season. Maybe Kyle Young can be that but we haven't heard much about him yet.
Oh, and CJ Walker. It has been really interesting to hear Holtmann talk about CJ and DJ. Definitely seems like each guy comes with their own set of pros and cons and Holt's in the early stages of trying to figure out what that means for how the PG spot and backcourt in general is going to look like.
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DZ83CK
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Key was really feast or famine. He had a couple good games in nonconference against quality comp, but then afterward that was largely ineffective until March came around. Calling him a core player is a bit generous considering he played below replacement level most of the season when considering all-around ability.
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OSU_Buckguy
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looking at youth/experience. below is the seniority of last year's team compared to this year's.
2018-19
jackson - 4
woods - 4
muhammad - 1
washington - 1
jallow - 2
andre - 3
young- 2
kaleb - 2
19 total (2.38 per player)
2019-20
walker - 3
carton - 1
muhammad - 2
washington - 2
jallow - 3
andre - 4
liddell - 1
young - 3
kaleb - 3
22 (2.44)
adding ahrens (2) would drop the average only marginally. adding both ahrens and gaffney (1) would knock the average to just below 2.3. i don't see us going 11-deep, though. ahrens, jallow, and gaffney project to be in a bit of a squeeze for meaningful playing time, especially with jallow still not being full-go.
the obvious difference between the two squads rests largely at the point guard position. then again, neither jackson nor woods was actually a point guard. moreover, their combined assist-to-turnover ratio was a ho-hum 6.0 to 3.5. did anyone feel all that comfortable when the ball was in jackson's hands as he faced pressure or attempted a contested pass? it's anyone's guess if the decreased experience at the point guard position will result in a worse product. heck, even walker's junior-year seniority isn't at all that accurate since his year of experience at ohio state should not be discounted. he's a junior+, which is what sueing will be next year when he essentially replaces andre.
all of the above is why muhammad and washington will be so crucial to this team's success. because they played so much, they're not your average sophomores. if muhammad and washington prove to be better versions of themselves, then they'll be able to shoulder much of the burden that walker and carton are tasked to carry.
edit: yes, numbers tell only a partial story. did freshmen conley and craft play like freshmen? did sophomore lyle often play like a high schooler? let's hope carton plays above his grade and that walker plays like a junior+.
2018-19
jackson - 4
woods - 4
muhammad - 1
washington - 1
jallow - 2
andre - 3
young- 2
kaleb - 2
19 total (2.38 per player)
2019-20
walker - 3
carton - 1
muhammad - 2
washington - 2
jallow - 3
andre - 4
liddell - 1
young - 3
kaleb - 3
22 (2.44)
adding ahrens (2) would drop the average only marginally. adding both ahrens and gaffney (1) would knock the average to just below 2.3. i don't see us going 11-deep, though. ahrens, jallow, and gaffney project to be in a bit of a squeeze for meaningful playing time, especially with jallow still not being full-go.
the obvious difference between the two squads rests largely at the point guard position. then again, neither jackson nor woods was actually a point guard. moreover, their combined assist-to-turnover ratio was a ho-hum 6.0 to 3.5. did anyone feel all that comfortable when the ball was in jackson's hands as he faced pressure or attempted a contested pass? it's anyone's guess if the decreased experience at the point guard position will result in a worse product. heck, even walker's junior-year seniority isn't at all that accurate since his year of experience at ohio state should not be discounted. he's a junior+, which is what sueing will be next year when he essentially replaces andre.
all of the above is why muhammad and washington will be so crucial to this team's success. because they played so much, they're not your average sophomores. if muhammad and washington prove to be better versions of themselves, then they'll be able to shoulder much of the burden that walker and carton are tasked to carry.
edit: yes, numbers tell only a partial story. did freshmen conley and craft play like freshmen? did sophomore lyle often play like a high schooler? let's hope carton plays above his grade and that walker plays like a junior+.
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DZ83CK
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I would agree that scoring is a concern. Until guys actually show that they can put the ball in the basket in an efficient manner, you can't assume it is not going to be an issue vs good teams. The offense was well behind the defense last year, and the returning guards and wings are all going to need to be a bit more reliable from distance.
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OSU_Buckguy
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with jallow now out indefinitely and perhaps even a redshirt candidate, i'm curious how the small forward position is going to play out. there looks to be plenty of flexibility with liddell and gaffney added to the mix. andre, liddell, and gaffney project to be at least somewhat interchangeable. hoping ahrens quickly regains last year's form because he brings something unique compared to the other three. not having jallow, though, looks to present the greatest challenge on the defensive end of the court. none of the aforementioned four would be your first pick to guard a quick and athletic small forward.
cincy will be a strong test right out of the gate since their backcourt will probably be one of the best ones we face all season. guessing ho1tmann will employ plenty of 3-guard lineups. brannen will probably want to push tempo and perhaps even throw some presses at us.
cincy will be a strong test right out of the gate since their backcourt will probably be one of the best ones we face all season. guessing ho1tmann will employ plenty of 3-guard lineups. brannen will probably want to push tempo and perhaps even throw some presses at us.
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OSU_Buckguy
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reminder that our super-secret scrimmage at louisville is sometime today.
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