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2019 tOSU offense thread

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by bukIpower, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    Who needs deep threats when guys like Mack and Olave can actually catch the ball. Some times fans make too much of a big deal about WRs being deep threats, when as long as guys like Mack, Victor, Hill and Olave can get open in space and make plays moving the chains and hold on to the ball if in double coverage, those are every bit just as explosive plays. Fans get too enamored with 50+yd bombs, when a guy who consistently moves the chains is every bit as important(New England has continued a dynasty with this method).
    And I think those chain moving WRs will open for a big play or 2 over the top, but I'd be happy if Fields is able to consistently lead the troops down the field. Our OL play will make sure we don't have struggles, because all of them have actual game reps under their belt(some more than others)
     
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  2. Drubuck

    Drubuck What time is it?

    I get what you are saying but threat of a deep ball is also needed to open up those underneath routes. Back the safeties and corners off the line of scrimmage. Keep linebackers honest and opens up run game as well. It is very much needed in the offense to have a deep threat. Need that balance.
     
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  3. Best Buckeye

    Best Buckeye Pretending I'm a pleasant person is exhausting Staff Member

    Everybody who wants to win the big games.
     
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  4. Jagdaddy

    Jagdaddy Senior

    I'd like to see them partly address whatever deep threat void there may be by getting Ruckert vertical up the seams, but this is OSU so Harbaugh will probably become the world's most successful social interaction guru before that happens.
     
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  5. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Victor is much more "big play" than "chain mover" at this point. He has the talent to do everything, really hoping he puts it together in his final campaign.


    You also don't have to be as fast as Devin Smith or Terry/Parris to be a deep threat.

    Austin demonstrated his ability to make plays downfield, and has the strength, size and hands that Parris / Terry did not have at the same point in their careers.

    Chris is such a smooth operator. He's athletic enough, big enough and should become such a well rounded weapon. I see him taking over for Dixon quite nicely (who was hardly a world class speedster after the devastating injuries, it's a shame we never saw the real JD).

    We will finally see extended minutes for McCall. He is going to eat linebackers alive. He's been doing it for two years just in very limited duty. He even got quality minutes in the biggest game of 2018 despite a ridiculously deep set of skill players (particularly in the passing game)

    Jaelen brings a lot of Curtis Samuel to the table. Can he realize that potential in spot duty?


    OSU had deep threats for days a few years ago. They had no consistency at winning 50-50 balls, which was a big problem with an inconsistent passer and OL.


    Furthermore, there are a lot of plays to be made if you have a rifle armed qb that can make the throws. Devin gets a lot of hype (as he should since he's peerless deep) but Jalin was enormous in those games. Not just the 700 jet sweeps (mostly as the decoy) but how many balls did he snag in traffic 15-25 yds downfield, often on 3rd and long?
     
  6. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Didn't want to create a new thread for this question...

    On kickoff what are we chanting? Everytime the ball is about to be caught by the other team we seem to be booing?
     
  7. Best Buckeye

    Best Buckeye Pretending I'm a pleasant person is exhausting Staff Member

    Thats exactly what I said, I just was more concise...................
     
  8. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    You don't need burners to go deep you need effective play calling.

    If we can ramp the run game up with Fields/Dobbins that will cause defenses to come up. Once they do that play action and over the top would be lethal even if @cincibuck was running a 9 route.
     
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  9. Best Buckeye

    Best Buckeye Pretending I'm a pleasant person is exhausting Staff Member

    actually all the run, pass options are important. We need short, medium and deep games right along with a devastating run game. Mix it up and keep'em guessing. I considered Olave's first TD a short and his second a medium and the long ones to Hill, Dixon and McLaurin
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019
  10. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    Oh gotcha, I must've forgotten about all the big game JT Barrett lost, because he had very few big plays with his arm...
    And I also forgot that Belichek and the Patriots don't win many big games either...
     
  11. Best Buckeye

    Best Buckeye Pretending I'm a pleasant person is exhausting Staff Member

    do you see any difference in the passing game of JT and Haskins at all? I'm saying that some teams win with being conservative and having a good defense, Thats what won for the pats and Barrett, but that long pass to Gronk was the one that won the game.
    What I did say was "Everybody who wants to win the big games."
     
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  12. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I agree with your points, but you didn't bring up any "deep threats", and that was what @Taosman was referring to. There aren't any deep threats per se in the Zone 6 for next year, and those are the ultra fast Devin Smith/Terry/Parris guys.
    I would say that Zone 6 for 2019 has more complete WRs than what we had in 2018, and that's guys that can make plays in space, catch balls in traffic, run precise routes and move the chains. But there's not a guy that you named who can run a fly route past a CB and/or S and burn them for 7 like a Ted or Devin(or even Jalin). And my point is, that's alright, we can win, and win big in many other ways in this offense. We can go back to being a power spread team that Meyer envisioned and let the run set up the pass, particularly the PA game like @bukIpower mentioned. Every team doesn't need a 4.3 guy who scores from 50yds out to win big games. JK and Fields could make an effective enough run game, that in turn would open up the pass game and be more balanced than we were in 2018. Me talking about the lack of a deep threat isn't an insult to the offense, just my honest opinion
     
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  13. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    There was a clear difference in the passing game, because Haskins could make throws that JT could only dream of. Hence why Haskins is set to be drafted in the top 10 and JT is struggling to make it to a team to just hold a clipboard. That's also the reason that teams are willing to keep taking chances on Cardale, and less on JT. Haskins and Jones could put balls in space to allow WRs to separate, and Barrett couldn't. Even the actual WRs would tell you that! That's why all of them returned last year, I believe Campbell and/or McLaurin even stated as much before the season began
     
  14. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Agreed. 2016 had Samuel, Parris, Terry, C.Smith, Dixon (sort of), Clark. The only WR that could not torch the defense deep was Brown and he was the most reliable (if you treat Curtis as more of an All Purpose Back).

    It will be interesting to see how they use the TE this year.
     
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  15. Hstead

    Hstead Senior

    "O H I O ripping his fucking head..............and take his shoes"
     

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