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UNC and Wake Forest schedule non-conference home-and-home

The evolution of college football scheduling reached a new low Monday, potentially. North Carolina and Wake Forest have agreed to a home-and-home series as non-conference opponents. UNC and Wake Forest are both ACC members, but play in opposite divisions. This is the first time two conference members have scheduled a home-and-home series for non-conference competition*, and it may not be the last.

Wake Forest will host North Carolina on September 19, 2019. UNC will host the second part of the home-and-home series on September 25, 2021. Because these are non-conference match-ups, neither game will count in the ACC standings.

“This is a unique opportunity to play a regional rival in years that fall outside the normal conference rotation,” said UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham. “We have a long history with Wake Forest that has historical value and will generate interest within our fans.”

The ACC requires schools in the conference to schedule at least one power conference opponent each season. Yes, this scheduling arrangement will satisfy that non-conference scheduling requirement. The idea of the scheduling requirement was designed to increase the overall conference strength of schedule, but this move essentially drags it down by guaranteeing one extra loss for the conference, against power conference opposition no less.
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Mixed reviews are already coming in about this scheduling announcement now that the precedent has been set.

* California and Colorado played a 2011 game as non-conference opponents despite Colorado just joining the Pac-12. That game had been scheduled back in 2004, before Colorado had joined the conference, but both teams kept the game on the books to fill out the schedule.

Entire article: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...forest-schedule-non-conference-home-and-home/
 
Pros and cons of conference foes scheduling non-conference games

PRO: It creates a game fans will look forward to

North Carolina and Wake Forest each have a duty to satisfy their alums, students and fans. By scheduling a game against an in-state rival they rarely get to see, North Carolina and Wake Forest are each giving their fans something to look forward to. In a world where conference expansion has taken away some annual or near-annual rivalry games, North Carolina and Wake Forest have found a way to resume playing more often instead of waiting for the ACC schedule to pair them up on a rotating basis.

CON: It sets a somewhat sketchy precedent for the sport

With power conferences creating a larger divide between the haves and have-nots in college football, power conferences scheduling games against opponents from inside their own conference ultimately takes away not one, but potentially two opportunities for schools from the Group of Five to schedule at least a marginally attractive game on their respective schedules.

PRO: It can have a positive effect on each school’s overall body of work

Not that anyone is honestly ready to suggest North Carolina or Wake Forest will be competing for a spot in the College Football Playoff in four to six years, but in a hypothetical world both schools have added a power conference opponent to the schedule. In theory, this should result in a positive effect on the strength of schedule for either UNC or Wake Forets (or both).

CON: It neutralizes the conference’s overall strength of schedule

Rather than going out and competing against the SEC, Pac-12 Big Ten or Big 12, what North Carolina and Wake Forest are doing is dropping an anchor on the ACC’s overall strength of schedule. The College Football Playoff selection committee, however it is formed by 2019 or 2021 rolls around, may be unlikely to acknowledge the ACC if ACC schools are scheduling non-conference games against each other. The committee will be more impressed with victories over other power conferences, because they will be able to evaluate the strength of each conference better with true out-of-conference match-ups on the schedule.

PRO: In-state rivalries are a good thing

It is always good to see in-state rivalries thrive when possible, and North Carolina and Wake Forest managed to ensure there will be one more to pay attention to in the state. Because of this, it may not be a shock to eventually see Duke and N.C. State explore a similar arrangement, which would add more to the whole concept of a state championship in the state of North Carolina.

Entire article: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ference-foes-scheduling-non-conference-games/
 
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Don't have a big problem with it... especially once we start getting into 8-team divisions. At that point teams will see each other cross-division so infrequently, that the new Divisions are basically new Conferences with Scheduling Agreements.
 
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Meh. I don't like it, but I'm not going to go all Penn State whine-mode on it. Why does this game get to be non-conference, but UNC's game against another cross-divisional team is a conference game? Just because the ACC said so? Meh. If you're going to schedule more games against in-conference teams, they should be in-conference games. I don't know how the logistics would work, though, if one team is 10-2 in conference and another is 7-1. Win percentage? Number of wins?
 
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Zurp said:
Meh. I don't like it, but I'm not going to go all Penn State whine-mode on it. Why does this game get to be non-conference, but UNC's game against another cross-divisional team is a conference game? Just because the ACC said so? Meh. If you're going to schedule more games against in-conference teams, they should be in-conference games. I don't know how the logistics would work, though, if one team is 10-2 in conference and another is 7-1. Win percentage? Number of wins?
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Perhaps they will consult with the Big XII on how to handle this tricky situation...
 
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That random cross-division games plays a factor in Division Champs at all annoys me on some level. If Ohio State and Penn State were tied in-division at 5-1, but Ohio State lost to 6-0 Nebraska while Penn State beat 0-6 Illinois ... and thus Penn State got to represent the East... I'd be pretty annoyed.
 
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DiamondBuck said:
Perhaps they will consult with the Big XII on how to handle this tricky situation...
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"One True Champio ... oh, hell, not sure what we actually have here." - Bob Bowlsby

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kujirakira said:
That random cross-division games plays a factor in Division Champs at all annoys me on some level. If Ohio State and Penn State were tied in-division at 5-1, but Ohio State lost to 6-0 Nebraska while Penn State beat 0-6 Illinois ... and thus Penn State got to represent the East... I'd be pretty annoyed.
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I'm sure @BigWoof31 would understand that. Mizzou got to the SEC title game this year w/o beating an sec team with a winning record in conference and after getting jail sexed by the leg humpers. But since it happened to the mutts not good guys like the bucks or jackets it's funny.
 
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kujirakira said:
That random cross-division games plays a factor in Division Champs at all annoys me on some level. If Ohio State and Penn State were tied in-division at 5-1, but Ohio State lost to 6-0 Nebraska while Penn State beat 0-6 Illinois ... and thus Penn State got to represent the East... I'd be pretty annoyed.
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Or say Ohio State goes 6-0 in division, including beating Penn State, but loses to Nebraska and say Iowa. Nebraska goes 8-0 in conference, and Iowa only loses to Nebraska. Penn State, on the other hand, goes 7-1, losing only to Ohio State, and beating 1-7 Wisconsin and 0-8 Northwestern. Penn State would win the division.
 
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kujirakira said:
That random cross-division games plays a factor in Division Champs at all annoys me on some level. If Ohio State and Penn State were tied in-division at 5-1, but Ohio State lost to 6-0 Nebraska while Penn State beat 0-6 Illinois ... and thus Penn State got to represent the East... I'd be pretty annoyed.
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Or say Ohio State goes 6-0 in division, including beating Penn State, but loses to Nebraska and say Iowa. Nebraska goes 8-0 in conference, and Iowa only loses to Nebraska. Penn State, on the other hand, goes 7-1, losing only to Ohio State, and beating 1-7 Wisconsin and 0-8 Northwestern. Penn State would win the division.
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Or just win all our games and not worry about "what-if's"!
 
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