A disgruntled Poke?

[WangHo]

"kept kicking the ball out of bounds" Sorry bud, but only the first two kicks were out of bounds. The third "out of bounds" kick would have been called by ANY coach in the NCAA, and it rolled out. Ginn could have fielded it, as well as the 67 yard punt, but chose not to.

I stand by my point that you do not take the ball out of VMos hands, just as tOSU would not want to take the ball out of Ginn's hands. 8 carries, I mean seriously. Tressel would have laughed if you told him before the game that we were only going to give VMo the ball 8 times, one third of his average carries.

 

[SanClementeBuck]

I understand your frustration WangHo, but your Coach Miles and staff obviously changed their play calls because of the ineffectiveness in general of The Cowboy featured running attack, starting with the first play from scrimmage. IMHO, the essential reason for OklaSt's play calling was the Ohio State defense and its ability to stop the rush. The most effective runs by The Cowboys came outside by Elliot...who happens to be one insidiously fast dude.

 

[osugrad21]

WH, thanks to you and all of the Pokes for some great discussion on both boards. Its refreshing to have a decent dialogue with opposing fans minus the usual flames and trashtalk. Take care, good luck, and don't be a stranger.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

"kept kicking the ball out of bounds" Sorry bud, but only the first two kicks were out of bounds. The third "out of bounds" kick would have been called by ANY coach in the NCAA, and it rolled out. Ginn could have fielded it, as well as the 67 yard punt, but chose not to.

I stand by my point that you do not take the ball out of VMos hands, just as tOSU would not want to take the ball out of Ginn's hands. 8 carries, I mean seriously. Tressel would have laughed if you told him before the game that we were only going to give VMo the ball 8 times, one third of his average carries.

Well, "bud", the fact, not opinion, is that your punter kicked the ball purposely away from Ginn, and the only time that Ginn fielded the ball is when the punter failed to keep it away from him. Again, as for the amount of carries for Morency, why would you continue to give him the ball if he's not going to get more than 2-3 yards a pop? Are you saying that if you kept giving him the ball, that he'd all of a sudden magically start ripping off 6, 8, or 10 yard runs? We did the same thing to Mike Hart of Michigan...they gave it to him 18 times, and yet he could manage only 61 net yards. Take away his one big run of 11 yards, and he got 50 yards on 17 carries...not exactly establishing a dominating running game, is it?

Bottom line is that our run defense caused a shift in your staff's offensive play scheme. Had Morency been able to get 4-5 yards a carry, then you can rest assured that your staff would've put the ball in his hands a lot more.

 

[HanesOnU]

Thats the problem with being a one dimensional, run oriented team- you guys were playing from behind all night, of course the carries will be lower than normal. Also take into account that your coaches probably knew from the game films that you would have to throw first to run on us.

Make no mistake however, when you tried to run the ball you couldn't-don't try and make it out to be some fluke thing.

The thing is, we came out PASSING the ball...

Morency didn't run it at all even before you scored and got up by a ton.

You guys played a great game, good fans for the most part. Just don't like the drunk ones... lol, but that was the fun part!


O, and to the people commenting about the Ok State fans not coming back, let me say this...

Many of us are depressed and want to get in a whole right now... Our bball and football teams both got their arses kicked. And it is kinda hard to come back when you got killed so bad!

The comparison between Morency on designed run plays and Ginn on a punt return isn't even close to being valid. First, "the opportunity was still there for him to return punts" wasn't true since Farden kept kicking the ball out of bounds or totally away from Ginn...out of seven punts (one more than I had predicted), Ginn got only one touch. Second, the run plays for Morency are designed for him to get the ball...there are only two reasons for the failure of a running play: 1.) poor execution by the offense, or 2.) superior play by the defense. Morency's longest carry was 7 yards, so he had 13 net yards on his 7 other carries...this implies to me our defense with ready to stuff the run.

First off, if you saw the punts that went out of bounds, I don't think he was trying to kick them away from him. He just punted horrible. He has done that a ton this season agains bad punt returners too.

And Morency is a big play back. He will get 1 or 2 yards when it looks like he should be stuffed, then he'll break a big one. Your defense did great, but that is what always happens. Teams think they shut him down then he breaks a few big ones in a row.

But even though we didn't run the ball, you should at least get Morency the ball in the passing game, which we haven't done all year. We did once against TExas and he broke like 9 or 10 tackles and took it 60 or 70 yards...

Good game Buckeyes, good luck in the future.

 

[JWil]

"Uh, why would the coaches keep giving the ball to a RB that kept getting stuffed for about 2 ypc?"

Because the Oklahoma State coaches needed to run the ball INSIDE. How many times did they run tailback draws? Close to never. How about more out passes to the TEs? We did that the first play of the game for 7 yards to Bajema, the most under-used facet of the 2004 offense.

The Ohio State D was blitzing heavy outside because all the Cowboys did was run sweeps and stupid option crap. the Buckeye linebackers are too fast to try that on over and over like we did.

What they needed to do was run it inside after Ohio State was biting on the sweeps with blitzes. If VMo gets past the line, the backers are around the corner and not in position.

That, to me, was the biggest mistake orange OSU made.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

How about more out passes to the TEs? We did that the first play of the game for 7 yards to Bajema, the most under-used facet of the 2004 offense.

Concur 100%.. when your TE is 8 ft tall and 375 lbs and can catch (he certainly looked like he had good hands) like that kid... it could have been a huge weapon when you're getting no time to throw...what I found interesting is that they said he originally was a QB !! I would have considered letting him play QB.. he'd have been one helluva load to bring down by any lineman... plus they said he was a brainiac in pre-med...

 

[HanesOnU]

Concur 100%.. when your TE is 8 ft tall and 375 lbs and can catch (he certainly looked like he had good hands) like that kid... it could have been a huge weapon when you're getting no time to throw...what I found interesting is that they said he originally was a QB !! I would have considered letting him play QB.. he'd have been one helluva load to bring down by any lineman... plus they said he was a brainiac in pre-med...

Not only is he a brainiac, but I think he double-majored...

Anyways, no one ever understood why we didn't use him. He runs over everyone and can catch. I've NEVER seen him drop a pass. But at the MOST, we throw it his way 2 times a game... unbelievable!

 

[souL]

I think we under-use hamby in the same way. Your scheme was bad, everything was bad on the oOSU end... that's why it was so lopsided. A better scheme and the game might be closer. Better execution and the game again might have been closer... but I don't know if just giving the ball to Morency would have helped in general. It might have been the difference between 3rd and 8 and 3rd and 6, not game-changing in any way.