A Split National Championship in 2008?

[Gatorubet]

SEC honk....

So if tOSU wins a BCSCG over LSU, and the asshat ESPN driven AP votes USC number one, your disagreeing with that would be - what?

 

[Buckeye Nut]

So if tOSU wins a BCSCG over LSU, and the asshat ESPN driven AP votes USC number one, your disagreeing with that would be - what?

Had OSU beat LSU they would've had one-loss to USC's two. Would've been a lot more legitimate gripe on our part whereas everybody this year has one. College football is a beauty contest as evidenced by Oklahoma playing in the title game over Texas and to me and a lot of other people nobody looks better than USC. Former Florida Gator Trace Armstrong has said the same thing in regards to USC.

 

[tibor75]

The "system" allows for a split title ... that is, the AP voters can completely ignore the BCS title game and crown their own national champion.

And the AP title means what now exactly? ESPN.com can nominate their own national champ as well, but who cares? but Knowledgable fans realize that the AP title is a Lee Flowers championship.

 

[Gatorubet]

Had OSU beat LSU they would've had one-loss to USC's two. Would've been a lot more legitimate gripe on our part whereas everybody this year has one. College football is a beauty contest as evidenced by Oklahoma playing in the title game over Texas and to me and a lot of other people nobody looks better than USC. Former Florida Gator Trace Armstrong has said the same thing in regards to USC.

I have no problem with people saying "we should have been" for whatever reason, sane or otherwise, but I have a problem with fans of programs who have accepted the BCS rules, but who don't honor them when they do not win under those rules. Feel free to opt out of the BCS and be the best match up the Emerald Bowl has ever seen, but don't say that you are the fucking national champion when the rules you accepted say otherwise.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

And the AP title means what now exactly?

The value of these titles lies not within the content but depend solely on the perception of legitimacy. If the BCS continues to lose credibility then the AP title will just mean more and more to the public at large.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

And the AP title means what now exactly? ESPN.com can nominate their own national champ as well, but who cares? but Knowledgable fans realize that the AP title is a Lee Flowers championship.

at Tibor claiming to be a "Knowledgable" fan....

at Tibor's attempts to spell simple words....

Keep up the good work....

 

[OCBucksFan]

A lot more money is being made for participating universities, most of which apparently flows to the head coaches based on their exploding salaries. And money's what this system is all about, not about determining the "best team in the nation."

There are too many things that can happen in football wherein the "best" team (as can be determined only by Almighty God) might end up the season with as many as 4 losses.

Anyone who thinks a playoff system would infallibly crown the objectively best team is fooling themselves. It would crown the single team that won the playoff; that would be it. Reasonable people can disagree about whether such a system would be preferable to what we have now.

I am not a big advocate of a playoff, but I also hate the current system. It rewards teams for scheduling cupcake teams, look at the OOC schedule for USC, now the one for Oklahoma. But Oklahoma played all those great conference teams, well they looked great playing each other.

As for your last comment, so you're telling me that you don't consider any team that wins the NCAA Basketball tournament to be the national champ? I don't see a lot of complaints there other than the teams who don't get in.

 

[tibor75]

at Tibor claiming to be a "Knowledgable" fan....

at Tibor's attempts to spell simple words....

Keep up the good work....

Feel free to describe how important the AP title is anymore given that it's out of the BCS.

So-called fans who still care about the AP title don't understand a lick of the BCS or college football in general. Then again, maybe these same "fans" consider 1970 to be a NC year for OSU.

Does the UPI still hand out titles? Maybe Ohio State can win that this year.

 

[tibor75]

The value of these titles lies not within the content but depend solely on the perception of legitimacy. If the BCS continues to lose credibility then the AP title will just mean more and more to the public at large.

Not really. The AP poll is still a sham because it's a poll of people who probably have never seen Utah play until this week.

At least the BCS includes computer polls which add the semblence of objectivity.

The thing that hurt USC the most? the fact that Ohio State and the Big Ten are considered frauds. Nobody even cares about their huge win over OSU. Imagine if they beat OSU by 35-3 BEFORE the Florda/LSU debacles.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Not really. The AP poll is still a sham because it's a poll of people who probably have never seen Utah play until this week.

At least the BCS includes computer polls which add the semblence of objectivity.

exactly

USC was given a fake media title in 2003 solely because they are USC and a media darling

if any other team (except maybe Notre Dame) was in the same situation that year, I serious doubt the AP would had given any other team their fake media title that year

but since their precious USC got left out they threw a fit.........

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Feel free to describe how important the AP title is anymore given that it's out of the BCS.

The media constantly mentions USC's 2004 AP title, so evidently it's still important.

Does the UPI still hand out titles? Maybe Ohio State can win that this year.

Uh, the UPI poll hasn't been in existence for nearly two decades...just like your ability to come up a semi-intelligent thought.

 

[tibor75]

The media constantly mentions USC's 2004 AP title, so evidently it's still important.



Uh, the UPI poll hasn't been in existence for nearly two decades...just like your ability to come up a semi-intelligent thought.

really? I had no idea.

the media? So if OSu won the AP title, but shut out of the BCS, you would count that? Then again, OSU fans routinely count 1970 as a NC, even though it isn't.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

at Tibor claiming to be a "Knowledgable" fan....

at Tibor's attempts to spell simple words....

Keep up the good work....

Feel free to describe how important the AP title is anymore given that it's out of the BCS.

I wasn't describing the AP title - I was describing your stupidity.

BTW, syntax much?

So-called fans who still care about the AP title don't understand a lick of the BCS or college football in general.

Well, you "don't understand a lick of college football in general". Does this mean that you still care about the AP title?

"Don't understand a lick" - is that an SEC term, or something?

Then again, maybe these same "fans" consider 1970 to be a NC year for OSU.

Well, the NCAA considers "1970 to be a [sic] NC year for OSU", but I guess that their opinion doesn't count....

Does the UPI still hand out titles? Maybe Ohio State can win that this year.

Any "Knowledgable fan" would know that the UPI no longer hands out titles.

 

[jwinslow]

Not really. The AP poll is still a sham because it's a poll of people who probably have never seen Utah play until this week.

The BCS pollsters are a poor man's version of the AP, and the computers haven't watched a game in their life. All they see are empty numbers with zero context. Smart argument here.

At least the BCS includes computer polls which add the semblence of objectivity.

and a complete lack of reasoning or context.

The thing that hurt USC the most? the fact that Ohio State and the Big Ten are considered frauds.

balderdash. Oregon State crippled them and they never recovered. It's not even comparable to the lessened value of beating OSU.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

the media? So if OSu won the AP title, but shut out of the BCS, you would count that? Then again, OSU fans routinely count 1970 as a NC, even though it isn't.

Uh, yeah...