ArtilleryBuck
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There are idiots, and then there are psychotic maniacs. Wisconsin had a visit from the latter.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094/
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
The SKS 7.62 is not a common hunting gun in any wooods I have ever been in.
Thank god I get to hunt on private land.
Of course someone being on private land and where the were not supposed to be was what started this.
Thank god I get to hunt on private land.
Of course someone being on private land and where the were not supposed to be was what started this.
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tallwarrior
Earned, not Given
7.62 is the round used in the M60 machine gun. Get some!
Too bad these whackos ruin the image for us sportsmen.
Too bad these whackos ruin the image for us sportsmen.
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SKS fires a 7.62x39 Round (Kalashnikov)
The 7.62 in an M60 is a 7.62x51 NATO (same as a .308 Winchester). Its quite a bit larger... Also used in M-14's, and some older 'main battle rifles' like the HK SR-9 and I think a couple different FN's and Steyrs.
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Hodge
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"And once again, I'm embarrassed to be human." 
. http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armaslr.htm
Yeah, it's common alright....if you fought in WWII or vietnam. http://www.voentour.com/mhp/catalog/rifles/sks.shtml, http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm. What kind of hunter was this guy. Heck, I might show up with an M16 next monday
. http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armaslr.htm
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tallwarrior
Earned, not Given
Thanks for clearing that up. I should have known betterAKAKBUCK said:
SKS fires a 7.62x39 Round (Kalashnikov)
The 7.62 in an M60 is a 7.62x51 NATO (same as a .308 Winchester). Its quite a bit larger... Also used in M-14's, and some older 'main battle rifles' like the HK SR-9 and I think a couple different FN's and Steyrs.
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Hodge
Heisman
As I continue to read news about this tragedy, I realize that it is the very small minority, like this one guy, that cause hunting to get a bad rap. Not only hunting though--this guy used a semi-auto assault rifle, which will send some people screaming for the assault rifle ban to be brought back.
I can't even imagine what it would be like to lose someone in this way. I always go hunting and never really think about not coming back. Prayers and thoughts to these people and their families.
I can't even imagine what it would be like to lose someone in this way. I always go hunting and never really think about not coming back. Prayers and thoughts to these people and their families.
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bearonu
60% of the time, it works every time.
To update the story, apparently this guy was defending himself by killing six of them though only one supposedly was even armed.
"Authorities have said there was only one firearm among the eight hunters and it was unclear whether anyone returned fire."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=6&u=/ap/20041123/ap_on_re_us/hunters_shot_43
"Authorities have said there was only one firearm among the eight hunters and it was unclear whether anyone returned fire."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=6&u=/ap/20041123/ap_on_re_us/hunters_shot_43
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tibor75
Banned
The suspect's brother, Sang Vang, 32, said he and his brother came to this country from their native Laos in 1980. Chai Soua Vang is married and has six children and is "a good family man," his brother said. Chai Soua Vang had served in the U.S. Army, is a naturalized citizen and speaks English well.
Minneapolis police said they arrested Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was brought because she didn't cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. Police in St. Paul said there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but both were resolved without incident.
Eh, I'm sure in some Asian cultures, the two statements aren't mutually exclusive...
Minneapolis police said they arrested Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was brought because she didn't cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. Police in St. Paul said there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but both were resolved without incident.
Eh, I'm sure in some Asian cultures, the two statements aren't mutually exclusive...
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Top Stories - AP
Versions Differ in Wis. Hunter Shootings
1 hour, 8 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer
HAYWARD, Wis. - The man suspected of shooting six hunters to death and a survivor agree that the tragedy began with a confrontation on private land. But they sharply differ on what happened next.
Survivor Lauren Hesebeck told investigators Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., turned around after a verbal exchange and started shooting his rifle from 40 yards away.
But Vang told Sawyer County investigators he began firing only after one of Hesebeck's hunting buddies, Terry Willers, shot at him with a rifle from about 100 feet away and missed.
Vang, a Hmong immigrant from Laos, also claimed the hunters taunted him with racial slurs and warned him he would be reported to law enforcement for being on private land, according to a document filed Tuesday.
Hesebeck's version, contained in the same statement, makes no mention of that type of language or verbal hostility, other than saying Vang used profanity at one point.
Hesebeck, who was released from a hospital Tuesday after treatment for a shoulder wound, told investigators Willers shot at Vang after Vang fired first but missed.
Both accounts agreed that Vang shot the others as more people from the deer camp arrived at the scene, summoned by Hesebeck using a walkie-talkie to call for help.
Vang said he continued firing as the group scattered, and at one point chased one of the hunters and shot him in the back, only to find the man had no gun, the document states.
Authorities have said there was only one gun among the victims. According to investigators, it's believed Vang fired at least 20 shots.
No one answered the door at the Hesebeck home in rural Rice Lake on Tuesday. Members of his family and another victim's family planned to talk with reporters Wednesday.
Sunday's shootings occurred after Vang got lost while hunting, climbed into a tree stand on private property and then got into the confrontation with Willers and others hunting with him.
The victims were part of a group of about 15 people who made their annual opening-weekend trip to the 400-acre property co-owned by Robert Crotteau and Willers.
Killed were Crotteau, 42; his son, Joey Crotteau, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, all from the Rice Lake area. Terry Willers, Jessica's father, remained hospitalized Wednesday in good condition.
Vang, an immigrant from Laos, was arrested about four hours after the shootings as he emerged from the woods with his empty semiautomatic rifle. Five people died in the woods; a sixth died Monday in a hospital. Two others were wounded.
There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region. Hunters have complained the Hmong do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they want. The tension once led to a fistfight in Minnesota, and a Hmong bow hunter in Wisconsin this fall reported having at least two white hunters point guns at him.
About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city. Hmong leaders condemned the shootings and offered condolences to victims' families.
"What happened in Wisconsin is in no way representative of the Hmong people and what they stand for," said Cha Vang, no relation to the suspect.
"We stand before you as representatives of the greater law-abiding Hmong community to unconditionally — unconditionally — condemn these atrocities."
New details about Vang began to emerge Tuesday.
Military records obtained by The Associated Press show he spent six years in the California National Guard and earned a sharpshooter qualification badge. But his primary role during his time in the Guard, from 1989-95, involved clerical duties.
After his discharge, he spent two more years in the Individual Ready Reserve. His records also include a Good Conduct medal.
Circuit Judge Norman Yackel ordered Vang jailed Tuesday on $2.5 million bail. He ruled that evidence submitted to him was sufficient to hold Vang on suspicion of murder and attempted murder, pending the filing of formal charges.
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On the Net:
More on the Hmong: http://www.hmong.org
Versions Differ in Wis. Hunter Shootings
1 hour, 8 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer
HAYWARD, Wis. - The man suspected of shooting six hunters to death and a survivor agree that the tragedy began with a confrontation on private land. But they sharply differ on what happened next.
Survivor Lauren Hesebeck told investigators Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., turned around after a verbal exchange and started shooting his rifle from 40 yards away.
But Vang told Sawyer County investigators he began firing only after one of Hesebeck's hunting buddies, Terry Willers, shot at him with a rifle from about 100 feet away and missed.
Vang, a Hmong immigrant from Laos, also claimed the hunters taunted him with racial slurs and warned him he would be reported to law enforcement for being on private land, according to a document filed Tuesday.
Hesebeck's version, contained in the same statement, makes no mention of that type of language or verbal hostility, other than saying Vang used profanity at one point.
Hesebeck, who was released from a hospital Tuesday after treatment for a shoulder wound, told investigators Willers shot at Vang after Vang fired first but missed.
Both accounts agreed that Vang shot the others as more people from the deer camp arrived at the scene, summoned by Hesebeck using a walkie-talkie to call for help.
Vang said he continued firing as the group scattered, and at one point chased one of the hunters and shot him in the back, only to find the man had no gun, the document states.
Authorities have said there was only one gun among the victims. According to investigators, it's believed Vang fired at least 20 shots.
No one answered the door at the Hesebeck home in rural Rice Lake on Tuesday. Members of his family and another victim's family planned to talk with reporters Wednesday.
Sunday's shootings occurred after Vang got lost while hunting, climbed into a tree stand on private property and then got into the confrontation with Willers and others hunting with him.
The victims were part of a group of about 15 people who made their annual opening-weekend trip to the 400-acre property co-owned by Robert Crotteau and Willers.
Killed were Crotteau, 42; his son, Joey Crotteau, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, all from the Rice Lake area. Terry Willers, Jessica's father, remained hospitalized Wednesday in good condition.
Vang, an immigrant from Laos, was arrested about four hours after the shootings as he emerged from the woods with his empty semiautomatic rifle. Five people died in the woods; a sixth died Monday in a hospital. Two others were wounded.
There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region. Hunters have complained the Hmong do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they want. The tension once led to a fistfight in Minnesota, and a Hmong bow hunter in Wisconsin this fall reported having at least two white hunters point guns at him.
About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city. Hmong leaders condemned the shootings and offered condolences to victims' families.
"What happened in Wisconsin is in no way representative of the Hmong people and what they stand for," said Cha Vang, no relation to the suspect.
"We stand before you as representatives of the greater law-abiding Hmong community to unconditionally — unconditionally — condemn these atrocities."
New details about Vang began to emerge Tuesday.
Military records obtained by The Associated Press show he spent six years in the California National Guard and earned a sharpshooter qualification badge. But his primary role during his time in the Guard, from 1989-95, involved clerical duties.
After his discharge, he spent two more years in the Individual Ready Reserve. His records also include a Good Conduct medal.
Circuit Judge Norman Yackel ordered Vang jailed Tuesday on $2.5 million bail. He ruled that evidence submitted to him was sufficient to hold Vang on suspicion of murder and attempted murder, pending the filing of formal charges.
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On the Net:
More on the Hmong: http://www.hmong.org
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