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Amaechi - Hardaway (Merged)

StadiumDorm;752294; said:
Plenty of people agree with Tim Hardaway. They may not come out and say it, but deep down when they heard the soundbite, they said to themselves "Damn straight!"

And that is very disturbing to me.

Less overt bias these days is very common...similar to the "Black people are great, as long as they don't take my job, move into my neighborhood, or date my daughter" underbelly that has replaced the cross-burning of yesteryear. I think we have made some good progress in race relations, at least in terms of the number of people who have moved forward with their attitudes, but with gays I think the number is quite a bit smaller.
 
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jwinslow;752408; said:
I believe it's a privacy issue when nudity is involved, similar to why guys & gals don't share locker rooms.

So if you go to the gym and have to take a shower after a workout, do you make sure to interrogate every guy in there to see if he's gay?

Agreed. Just as appalling as the number of people on this site who thought that Edwards' employees statements against Catholics were ok.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with what Hardaway said other than to deflect attention away from the comments. I think it's pretty well understood that the "employees" were way out of line.

Just like Amanachi has every right to be gay, Hardaway has every right to hate gays. And while most of you think he is wrong, I think a lot of us would second guess our opinion if we were on a team with an openly gay athlete. Guys, they don't let us shower with women for a reason.

Well I think I'm in a unique to position to challenge this statement. My roommate my freshman year of college was gay. I didn't know it at the time, but I suspected. A year later, at a party, he came out. It was no big deal to us, but it was to him and we understood.

It's baffling that people care so much about what some guy out there does in the privacy of his own bedroom. And it's disturbing that it should still be a big deal in 2007. I don't have to make announcements that I like woman, but because of the bullshit stigma attached to homosexuals, there is still a slow process for people to "come out of the closet." And it is still a big deal as Hardaway has shown.
 
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OSUsushichic;752414; said:
There are lesbians at my gym. I have to share a locker room with them. Suck up and deal, people (not directed at you, JWins).

I've been in the lockerroom with gay dudes, and - what's amazing is - I never had to hook up with any of them and I still like chicks. Amazing.

StadiumDorm;752420; said:
So if you go to the gym and have to take a shower after a workout, do you make sure to interrogate every guy in there to see if he's gay?

Actually, in my old gym, there was a button you had to push on the way in to the lockerroom so everyone inside knew what kind of people you dated. Very helpful. I pushed the "athletic-tall-brunette-female-likes-football-on-tv" button, so there was no confusion when I was showering.

I don't know what the sarcasm font is, but a moderator can probably edit my post and add it.
 
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StadiumDorm;752420; said:
So if you go to the gym and have to take a shower after a workout, do you make sure to interrogate every guy in there to see if he's gay?
Personally, I wouldn't concern myself with it (one of my friends on our soccer team was gay). But I think the point is a vaild one. If there were homosexuals in my locker room, I would expect them to act respectfully and not make me uncomfortable sexually (ie ogling).

If that expectation is justification for our showering together, then why can't I shower/change in the ladies locker room? Shouldn't the expectation of platonic behavior be enough?
 
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jwinslow;752427; said:
Personally, I wouldn't concern myself with it (one of my friends on our soccer team was gay). But I think the point is a vaild one. If there were homosexuals in my locker room, I would expect them to act respectfully and not make me uncomfortable sexually (ie ogling).

Just as gay people would wish the same thing. Heck, I hope everyone in a locker room would act respectfully and not make anyone feel uncomfortable, regardless of sexual preference.
 
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OSUsushichic;752431; said:
Just as gay people would wish the same thing. Heck, I hope everyone in a locker room would act respectfully and not make anyone feel uncomfortable, regardless of sexual preference.
If that expectation is enough, then why don't gyms have one unified locker room?
 
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OSUsushichic;752414; said:
There are lesbians at my gym. I have to share a locker room with them. Suck up and deal, people (not directed at you, JWins).

So as a woman you would be completely cool w/ coed lockerrooms?


I know gay and lesbian people. Some I like/consider friends, others I can't stand. That said, my view of them as people has nothing to do w/ how I view the morality of gay sex, gay marriage,etc.
 
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jwinslow;752427; said:
Personally, I wouldn't concern myself with it (one of my friends on our soccer team was gay). But I think the point is a vaild one. If there were homosexuals in my locker room, I would expect them to act respectfully and not make me uncomfortable sexually (ie ogling).

If that expectation is justification for our showering together, then why can't I shower/change in the ladies locker room? Shouldn't the expectation of platonic behavior be enough?

Is your argument that men and women should shower together OR is that that gay men and straight men should shower separately?

Because I'm totally cool with the former.


Look, I get the argument. And I don't think it makes someone a bad person if they don't want to shower next to a gay dude. But I've got news for the guys on this board - unless you've been showering by yourself your whole life, you've probably showered next to a gay guy at some point - and if you're reading this, chances are that you lived through that traumatic experience.

The justification for having separate showers for members of the opposite sex is clearly a comfort issue. Woman (a lot moreso than men) probably don't feel comfortable showering front of guys. And especially at the high school level or lower, I think it's fair to say that it is downright inappropriate.

But unless you want to start instituting a questionaire of sexuality at every shower in the world, you're going to have to accept that it's ok to stand in a shower with a gay guy - either that or shower by yourself or with swimming trunks. (Either way I don't think it makes someone a bad person to feel uncomfortable - but it certainly doesn't justify a hatred of that group of people)
 
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StadiumDorm;752453; said:
Is your argument that men and women should shower together OR is that that gay men and straight men should shower separately?

Because I'm totally cool with the former.
Given what I know about human nature, I would not want to expedite the bigotry process by making a gay locker room.

If guys showered with gals, I'm sure they would enjoy the experience (considering their affinity for female bodies). If that was not visible, would that potential enjoyment make gals uncomfortable?

I'm trying to get to the root of why co-ed locker rooms of sexually compatible humans are taboo, yet male locker rooms of sexually compatible humans are acceptable and it's wrong to think otherwise.
 
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StadiumDorm;752420; said:
Well I think I'm in a unique to position to challenge this statement. My roommate my freshman year of college was gay. I didn't know it at the time, but I suspected. A year later, at a party, he came out. It was no big deal to us, but it was to him and we understood.

Thanks for your expert opinion, I guess that settles the issue.

Freshman year in Park Hall I was in a triple and one of my roomies and I always thought the other was gay. He was a great guy but there were a couple times we both felt uncomfortable. I ran into his at the BG game last year and we had a beer with his new boyfriend. So, fine and well. My point wasn't that you or sushchick don't love to hang out with gay people (or apparently showering with them).

My point was that "living" with a gay teammate on a pro team is a lot different than any of the experiences we will have. And yes, I would be a little uncomfortable taking a shower in front of a gay guy. I would assume most people are slightly uncomfortable going nude in front of strangers and I would also assume most people don't want to be "checked out" in that situation. While gay people are not ravenous sexaholics I don't think sushchick wants me in her shower.
 
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Sky;752464; said:
My point wasn't that you or sushchick don't love to hang out with gay people (or apparently showering with them).

Other than my girlfriend, I can't think of anyone I "love" to hang out with or shower with. There are plent of people I "enjoy" hanginig out with - some gay friends included.

I'm not going to posture like I have a shitload of gay friends. The fact is that I like to play sports and watch sports in my sparetime. There is not a strong correlation between homosexuality and sports, so I'm not going to have a lot of gay friends. But I can't see any reason why I would enjoy their company any less if we were sitting around shooting the shit about why Steve Nash shouldn't have won back-to-back MVPs.

My point was that "living" with a gay teammate on a pro team is a lot different than any of the experiences we will have. And yes, I would be a little uncomfortable taking a shower in front of a gay guy. I would assume most people are slightly uncomfortable going nude in front of strangers and I would also assume most people don't want to be "checked out" in that situation. While gay people are not ravenous sexaholics I don't think sushchick wants me in her shower.

I "lived" with a gay guy. That's the experience that I was talking about. The only thing that made it uncomfortable was that he liked Tori Amos (who absolutely sucks).
 
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