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Andy Geiger- Retired Athletic Director (Merged all relevant threads)

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LV - I agree. It was Geiger who related the speech to the mugging incident, thereby implying that the speech somehow should have deterred mugging. It is that reference by Geiger that I have trouble with.
I am sure Coach T tells the kids on a weekly basis to make good decisions, now its my opinion that Geiger is merely relaying to the media that coach T is trying to set the right example and do the right things but in this case it didnt make a difference.
 
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I think our Society is getting way out of hand. Each year it seems to get worse. I live in Florida here in Jacksonville and I know i am an older person now, trying to cope with the things i see today compared to when i was a younger person.

And sure, people will say that i am getting old and i see things in a different light, but beleive me in light of all that, i see things that are getting worse. I think our young people have no idea about trying to be responsible for thier actions and the situations that they seem to create without even giving it a second thought. They say "It's okay - were not bothering anybody"

They are given things like cell phones, playstations, porno cites on the internet at such an early age by the time they are 17 and 18 they are bored with life and there is nothing to look forward to. I have seen and heard this scenario over and over again. And then we say that it all falls back to the parents. And yet there are many young people out there who are good and accept the roles of the responsibility they are to assume without any problems.

I don't know the percentages here, but something has to be done. I hope that Coach Tressel can put a quick end to all of these things that are happening in Columbus. And the city of Youngstown is taking some brunt of this because of where Clarett and Irazarry come from. The inner city of Youngstown is not what it use to be and they do have thier problems. But then again alot of good students are going to YSU and trying to get an education and be proud of thier university and its location. The things that Jim Tressel accomplished at that University is quite an achievment. And on that basis, it is what got him the position at OSU. Now that he supposedly brings his squeaky clean record to Ohio State, every little thing happens to his program will and is being perused with the finest micro-scopes.

So now he has to suffer the consequences of all the incidents that have taken place over the past 3 years. Its not his fault, but according to alot of the local media sport beat writers, they seem to think that he lays to bear the blame. To me its a damn shame that all this is happening and i for one am getting damn tired of it. The blame lays within the parents, the television exposures, and the freedom to do with whatever our society damn well pleases. The record that Tressel had at Youngstown was not without exception. Granted there were some incidents with players at YSU but it was just held to a local newspaper and TV. AFter all it was just Youngstown State......... Now we are talking about Ohio State.... Well that sure is a big difference isnt it.

So like i said before he has to suffer the consequences and ya know what - Jim tressel will see this as a Challenge rather that a consequence and I hope he can be instrumental in solving this very sore issue that we as Ohio State fans have to deal with also. Sorry for being so long with this post but i tried to get it off my chest the best i could without trying to offend anyone. If i have then i am sorry it came across that way. Our young people deserve alot better chances in this life and its not going to be easy. I hope and pray that young parents today start taking a closer look at the issues of the troubled things in our society and try to find a way to explain to thier children the hard times that lay before them if they so desire to go down the wrong fork in the road of life. Life can be good and wholesome, its up to us and the choices we have.
 
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Geiger Comments....

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/10517379.htm

Posted on Tue, Dec. 28, 2004
ALAMO ADMISSION

Geiger concedes something amiss in OSU football program
By Tom Reed
Beacon Journal staff writer

SAN ANTONIO - Ohio State athletic director Andy Geiger made a painful concession Tuesday with regards to the controversy surrounding the Buckeyes football program.

Some allegations levied by former OSU star Maurice Clarett, concerning improper benefits bestowed on players, have merit.

Geiger's admission came on a day he announced the athletic program would ``disassociate'' itself with Dayton-area businessman and OSU booster Robert Q. Baker, who allegedly gave quarterback Troy Smith an unspecified amount of cash in the spring and attempted to arrange jobs for Smith and freshman tailback Antonio Pittman.

The university suspended Smith last week for tonight's Alamo Bowl against Oklahoma State for violating team and NCAA rules. The quarterback also is likely to miss the 2005 season opener, making it a two-game suspension.

Ohio State is taking no action against Pittman. The Buchtel graduate was cleared of any wrongdoing after school officials met with Columbus attorney and Buckeye booster Geoffrey Webster, who informed them Dec. 9 of Baker's indiscretions.

Neither Webster nor Baker returned phone messages.

The Buckeyes football program has been mired in controversy since last month when Clarett accused it of wide-ranging improprieties in an ESPN The Magazine story. Part of his accusations included cash payments from boosters and the arrangement of high-paying, no-show jobs.

``I'm not sure that I think that everything that Maurice said lacked credence,'' Geiger said. ``But what wasn't there is what is there now -- we have an example of something that has happened.

``Do I think it's systemic or widespread? I have no evidence of that.''

Geiger has been the university's most vocal critic of Clarett, whom he suspended a year ago for taking improper benefits and lying about them to investigators. The athletic director had said last month he was ``very confident'' the program would be exonerated when the NCAA reopened its probe.

Coach Jim Tressel, who admits to knowing Baker, said the latest revelation fails to support Clarett's claims. Baker, 46, is a 1981 graduate of Baldwin-Wallace, where he played football for Tressel's late father, Lee Tressel.

``They are not close,'' Geiger said of Tressel's relations with Baker.

Baker and two others rent a luxury 35-yard-line suite at Ohio Stadium. Geiger said possible sanctions against Baker could include: barring him from purchasing tickets or buying into a suite. He also could lose the privilege of attending practice, a perk for some boosters.

Geiger and Tressel believe the Buckeyes are not guilty of the NCAA's most serious charge ``lack of institutional control,'' insisting they had no prior knowledge of boosters supplying Clarett or Smith with improper benefits.

``I don't know if anyone inferred if there is any bliss and, certainly, ignorance is not bliss,'' Tressel said. ``Are we flawless? No.... But I don't feel bad at all about our intentions of doing things the best we can possibly do.''

Geiger said compliance education needs to become ``a mania'' at OSU, but that if a rogue booster is intent on breaking rules, ``I confess to you that I feel defenseless in that regard.''

The athletic director expressed dismay that any athletes would take improper gifts after all the attention the Clarett case generated a year ago.

``I think Troy is a good kid who made a mistake,'' Geiger said. ``He probably had a legitimate need, and he was stretched and stressed.''

Webster, 56, an attorney for Baker's former Columbus-based company Poly-Care Services, told the Associated Press that he called the university after employees described an envelope being given to Smith.

``No matter what was in it, if you don't have to do anything for it, it's wrong to lay that in front of a 19-year-old man, who's just stepping out on his own,'' said Webster, an Ohio State graduate and longtime booster.

Baker helped found Poly-Care but left the company for unrelated reasons a month ago. Webster, who handles Poly-Care code of conduct violations, received an employee complaint regarding two football players who in the spring briefly visited the office of Baker's assistant, Benjamin Dutton.

Geiger said Webster informed OSU investigators that Pittman never returned or received improper benefits.

``We have no evidence whatsoever that Antonio did anything wrong,'' Geiger said.

The interoffice complaint states Smith received an envelope, and Dutton asked Baker by phone what work Smith needed to do in exchange.

``(Dutton) was told: `Nothing, just take it and leave,' '' Webster told the Associated Press. ``The remark was made by Mr. Baker: `Good, now I own him.' ''

The comment disturbed Geiger.

``There are those who want to control some sense of proprietorship or ownership with regard to student athletes, and the reasons for that are scary,'' he said.

Baker's former company is no stranger to the Buckeyes program. Former OSU star Chris Gamble signed autographs for nursing home residents while delivering supplies for the company in 2003.

OSU investigated the incident but found no wrongdoing. Geiger said it's unlikely they will look into Gamble's ties again.

Tressel was asked if the accumulation of accusations and player arrests is tarnishing his reputation or that of the program.

``We've talked about what does that word reputation actually mean,'' he said. ``I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder.... But I feel good about the way our institution attacks helping young people and the job we do of creating educational opportunities.''
 
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blufftonbuck said:
Is the Smith ordeal going to be the smoking gun to some of MoC's allegations and going to push the NCAA to continue to investigate OSU...
I think our in-house investigations find more than the NCAA can find. I also think the NCAA is aware that tOSU is trying very hard to follow all of the rules.
 
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The thing that disturbs me the most is that just when you think the dust is beginning to settle, a new accusation comes to light. This stuff is starting to really piss me off.

They need to distance the boosters from this program, in a sense big business is running our football program right now.
 
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daddyphatsacs said:
in a sense big business is running our football program right now.
Wasn't the school inviting just such problems once they got into the luxury box business? I'm no engineer, but it looks to me like OSU could have had a lot more seats available to students and alums had they not courted the big money set.
 
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Wasn't the school inviting just such problems once they got into the luxury box business?

Yes.

I think that they are doing the same with the basketball arena, and when the team starts to win 20 games a year under Matta you will see more talk of this. Unfortunately I think that Geiger sold his soul to get the Schott, and the renovations at the Shoe. Now some of these people who helped him get there are taking advantage of their status.
 
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daddyphatsacs said:
...I think that Geiger sold his soul to get the Schott, and the renovations at the Shoe.
I wanted to see them go the way of Penn State and Tennessee and put more butts in seats instead of making a home for fat cats. I can't speak for luxury boxes in the shoe, but I've seen a couple games from the boxes at Paul Brown and Riverfront and it was sad. The people inside were there to drink and schmooze each other. They barely noticed there was a game going on... of course when you're talking about the Reds and the Bengals there's little to prove that a game was in progress.
 
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