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Andy Geiger- Retired Athletic Director (Merged all relevant threads)

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Personally, I think this sounds "so bad" and like "so much" because we come to this board to keep up to speed. If you were relying ONLY on your local media you would have much less info.

That is, I've come to realize nothing has changed with respect to the goings on of the program. What HAS changed is my ability to acquire more information from more sources.

Ignorance truley is bliss. When Cris Carter was suspended way back when... it is just something that happened... If the net had been around, i'm sure I would have been "all up in it" Dig?
 
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blufftonbuck said:
This might not ever be over until there is a fall guy established and he pays the price whether it be athletic official, coach, or AD...
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Firing someone will not solve the problem. There will still be booster wanting to rub elbows with the players. That's the problem, not the athletic department.

And, I don't agree that bringing in the big money has caused the problem. First, the big money has always been there. Second, the athletic department keeps the players at "arm's length" from the boosters, according to Geiger's statements yesterday. There is no encouragement by OSU for the boosters and players to have contact.

Perhaps they should go one step further and actually DISCOURAGE contact?
 
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Heaben forbid Geiger be the first one to tell tOSU's side of the story...he had to let the Dispatch do it first. Geiger would have a lot more credibilty with me if he would be a little more proactive than reactive.
 
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If OSU comes out and tells who the booster is, then they both sacrifice Smith's privacy and they basically send a "you better move or you will be vandalized, attacked or worse for what you've done" message to the booster.

OSU can't be the one to doom the guy to a lifetime of hatred in Ohio.

I'm not against them being a little more open, but Tressel made it sound like this is something that Smith should come forward and clear up (tho that still wouldn't reveal the booster).
 
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Perhaps they should go one step further and actually DISCOURAGE contact?
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I think that's exactly what they should do. The article mentions that boosters get to attend practice? What's that about? This allows them to get way too close to the players, and I think it's a bad idea. Barring anyone who isn't neccessary from watching practice would be a good first step.
 
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Firing someone will not solve the problem.
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In the real world it does not always matter. Just look at any NFL team or athletic team for that matter. Is the coach always the problem...heavens no but they sure seem to get fired a lot don't they. All I am saying is that there is usually a scapegoat and that is the end of it...At some point the university president and board will begin to get sick of this embarrasment!!
 
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Geiger: We will punish businessman

December 29, 2004
Geiger: We will punish businessman
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BSB Staff Reports


No suite for you?

The fallout from the revelations that Columbus businessman Robert Q. Baker gave Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith improper benefits continues with OSU athletic director Andy Geiger telling The Associated Press that the university will be punishing Baker.

OSU could take away ticket-buying and suite-holding privileges from Baker, founder of Poly-Care Services, a Columbus health care company.

"We will take action, although we haven't met about that yet," Geiger told the AP.

Geoffrey Webster, an attorney for Poly-Care, blew the whistle on Baker earlier this month when he alerted OSU that Poly-Care employees saw an envelope being given to a Buckeye football player.

A Poly-Care intracompany report said that Smith received an envelope, asked what he had to do in return and was told he didn't have to do anything. Though Smith is suspended for Wednesday night's Alamo Bowl game against Oklahoma State in San Antonio, Texas, he is expected to be eligible to play as a junior next season.

In San Antonio, OSU head coach Jim Tressel said he is familiar with Baker. One of the reasons could be that he played for Tressel's late father, Lee, at Baldwin-Wallace. Baker was a running back whose senior season of 1980 was the final one for Yellow Jackets coach Lee Tressel.

"Do I know him? Yes," Tressel said Tuesday. "But I don't think he had ever traveled on an away trip with us. I'm pretty focused on other things when we're traveling, but I would have say that I don't believe he has ever traveled with us."

The Springfield News-Sun reports that Baker was going to run for a seat in the Ohio House of Representatives in 2002 before taking himself off the ballot shortly after filing. There has been enmity between Baker, a Republican, and Clark County Republican Party Chairman Dan Harkins.

Apparently, no hatchets have been buried.

"The allegations that have been made against Mr. Baker are consistent with my experience in Mr. Baker's involvement with local politics," Harkins said.
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Hey, don't go in the kitchen if you can't stand the heat! If the booster and Troy Smith didn't want the backlash, then they shouldn't be doing this bullshit! When are we going to start holding ADULTS accountable and stop making excuses?
 
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blufftonbuck said:
In the real world it does not always matter. Just look at any NFL team or athletic team for that matter. Is the coach always the problem...heavens no but they sure seem to get fired a lot don't they. All I am saying is that there is usually a scapegoat and that is the end of it...At some point the university president and board will begin to get sick of this embarrasment!!
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Well, Bluffton, my point is that the problem needs to be fixed, and a symbolic act won't do it. Simply firing a coach or administrator won't fix this problem UNLESS they are at fault. If the problem continues, it can mean real problems for OSU. This is not about firing a coach for losing games. This is bigger than winning and losing. This affects the very existence of the program. If they fire someone and then hire the wrong replacement, they could create bigger problems than they have already.
 
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IrontonBuck said:
This is bigger than winning and losing.
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Hey Stop that Were THEE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.....

Not Wisconsin or Indiana or a 2nd rate program like them.....
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Is Geiger the root cause?

I suspect deep down that Andy is not a very popular fellow in some circles. I'll give some examples:

1. Cooper hated him. He said publicly that Geiger had an agenda. (Man, is he at home with an " I told you so shit-eatin grin or what?")

2. O'Brien is a turd....but is now critical of Geiger. ( My perception)

3. Some former players talk about being hung out to dry...namely the idiot I will only refer to as "The Youngstown Virus".

4. The press is obviously out to expose something that discredits or makes not just the program but specifically Big Andy look bad. Has Andy been making enemies?

5. Tressel seems to be on the fringes of the criticism, most of it seems to be directed at the Athletic program...specifically Geiger.

6. This is out there...but what about Conley and Spencer leaving suddenly? Now Conley is semi-critic over on Bucknuts?

I think Andy may be a bridge burner. I also think that if they dig hard enough...something will inevitably be found.....and that could be said for any major program in the country. However, we are the focus now.

I pray that I'm wrong. Let me know what you think.

Go Bucks!
 
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IMO the root cause is Tressel... JT demonstrates so much compassion and empathy for his players that some of them must feel they can play with fire because they know 'Dad' will forgive and forget... they take advantage of his good nature... they don't fear him... history supports their thinking...

If you look at his OSU history... when these players screw up... he always seems to act like a Dad who understands the kid screwed up but what is the best way to handle it for this particular kid... and looking at what is best for the kid in the long run... he deals with things from the kids perspective.. not from the university's perspective... thats good and bad... I have very mixed feelings with this... and the feelings are strong BOTH ways... I love the compassion but it's now affecting the whole program...

It may be tough... but some time he may have to give in.. and go for the death penalty until the rest of the team understands that there is a limit to what can be tolerated... I'm not sure this is within him... and within his makeup... the AD may have to be the one to edict the dealth penalty for a violator... if the AD puts himself in there as the bad guy, Tressel can still be the compassionate one.. but this will take a very understanding AD and one that is willing to let JT not completely handle matters...

As a parent, you learn when you are being taken advantage of... and sooner of later you have to put your foot down... they need to know there are serious consequences... You just get to a point you have to do it...
 
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