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Andy Geiger- Retired Athletic Director (Merged all relevant threads)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Alumni' started by OSUBasketballJunkie, May 12, 2004.

  1. Cajunbuck

    Cajunbuck Banned

    NJ Buck

    I think you are 90% right on the punishment thing. They should make Smith the sacrificial lamb....we have plenty of depth. (That's not a good reason but it's a good thing!). Boot Smith and the booster and set a precedent. No more....

    IMHO.....

    By the way, I've been ribbing my co-workers about Iowa's impending upset of LSU. They refuse to believe it......the SEC is just too fast.

    Minnesota is kicking some SEC ass right now as well.
     
  2. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Majerus took the job for 4 days.

    He was introduced as their head coach, effective at the end of the season. A few days later he resigned.

    He probably never cashed a check, but Garrett hired him. IMO, the quick resignation reflects badly on Garrett.

    But we should allow this thread to get back to Andy Geiger.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1950165

    ESPN.com news services

    <!-- template inline --><!-- insertinlineAd -->LOS ANGELES -- Rick Majerus made it official Monday: He has quit the Southern California basketball coaching job he took just last weekend.
    Majerus, 56, had been announced last Wednesday as the Trojans incoming coach and was to assume the post on April 1.
     
  3. Geiger may well be the finest AD Ohio State has ever had. It's not as though AG or JT have worked to cause problems, had personal behavior negatives or wanted to play Napoleon with the power each has. They don't carouse, drink to excess, or pinch the wrong butt, bet on too many ponies or fart in church. What do people expect?

    The firing of O'Brien and the fiasco leading to it was unseen be everyone! Who woulda thought O'B would have entered into such a gross violation of rules?

    Who could of predicted mc's childish episodes leading to a blowout over personal ethics choices that centered on ego rewards in the lad's mind?

    With all of the in-place rules and checks, I bet Geiger still loses sleep over "what's gonna happen next?

    In the old days, the players were housed together to stop a lot of what we see each year in untoward behavior that becomes public knowledge. How many drunk arrests and petty arguments among average students get publicized?

    That AD and HC job(s) have some thankless aspects.
     
  4. IrontonBuck

    IrontonBuck Walk On

    Amen, San Clemente...

    I think someone should look into how Ohio State deals with NCAA compliance, and then compare it to all the other programs. I'd truly like to know if Ohio State is better, the same, or worse than all the other college athletic departments.

    My bet is that Ohio State is among the most vigilent at trying to follow the rules. Before we tell JT and AG to "do more", we should find out if anyone has better ideas than Ohio State is already using.
     
  5. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Ironton,

    I believe your right about our compliance program being a model one. I also think the NCAA is aware of this, and that's why we don't get blasted by them.

    Of course, members of the media seem to have more than made up for that.
     
  6. Dryden

    Dryden Sober as Sarkisian Staff Member Tech Admin

    The problem for AG though is that he can only play the "we can't know what we don't know" card so many times before he digs himself into a deeper hole with the NCAA. Before long, the phrase "lack of institutional control" comes up. I believe AG (and JT) when they say the compliance department and educational departments for student athletes and boosters is vigilant and on top of things, but clearly some of the kids are still failing to get the message - that's AG's job to turn that around.

    While I think AG has done a terrific job managing an $80M enterprise, he will also be leaving his successor some messy NCAA red-tape, $200M+ in debt, and some disgruntled fans who have to surrender a weeks' salary for parking, food & drink and four nose-bleed tickets into the 'Shoe on Saturdays.

    All things considered, I personally don't have any answers for AG. I certainly don't envy him having to be the GM of what amounts to the equivilent of a pro football team, a reinvention of what should be a dominant men's bball team, 20-some other sports, and the rediculous number of state-of-the-art facilities.

    The only thing I would ask of Geiger before he leaves (or the incoming AD) is a full review of the way tickets and seats are allocated for all of OSU's venues. There is no excuseable reason that you should be able to hear a pin drop at the Schott. We need a "real" student section for basketball like the Iz-zone or the Cameron Crazies.
     
  7. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    I think Geiger has simply had the misfortune to be the man in charge when 2 collossal ego driven errors were made by individuals under Geiger's direct/ indirect supervision-the MoC fiasco, and Obie's misdirected charitable impulses. These are the kind of major, SEC type violations that grab headlines and prompt calls for housecleanings. I don't feel Geiger willfully turned a blind eye-he did what he had to do when confronted w/ these situations. Troy Smith, IMO, is still an extremely immature, and naive young man who did an incredibly stupid thing. I don't think you would see that kind of stupidity from Mike Nugent, Simon Fraser, Ashton Youboty, or Rob Sims.
    As far as being w/ the bad cop as regards Tressel, you have to accept the negatives along w/ the positives in anyone you hire, and Geiger perhaps does need to provide some backup for Tressel's leadership style. I don't think you can ask Tressel to suddenly morph into Bobby Knight as far as team leadership goes....
     
  8. DaBuckMD

    DaBuckMD Rookie

    As I understand it, lack of insitutional control means that the university needs the proper policies and procedures in place to comply with NCAA rules and regulations, educates its student-athletes on the rules/regulations and thoroughly investigates/resolves/reports any factual evidence of improprieties.

    If patterns of similar improprieties arise, that could be a sign of lack of institutional control, but where is the pattern of factual evidence against OSU? There is one factual case to invesigate, Troy Smith, and OSU/Geiger/Tressel/OSU Steering Committee have been vigilant in working to resolve the issue. One violation does not mean lack of institutional control. I am certainly not saying there could not be more, but I simply am not priivy to that information -- like most others. (Dryden - not directed at you, but venting about media/others who already claim lack of insititutional control).

    Secondally, I do not understand why so many people want to pin the responsibility of potential "lack of institutional control" or even NCAA rules violations solely on AG. It is the responsibility of the OSU Steering Committee for NCAA Athletics Certification (http://www.osu.edu/ncaa/steering.html). Notice that AG is a member, but Dr. Frantz and Virginia Trethewey (OSU's General Counsel) are the Co-Chairs. There should be a few other names that people recognize as well. Also, notice the limited number of Athletic Officials on the Committee. Granted, I do not work in an Athletic Department, but I would assume that the Steering Committee sets the policies in place and AG simply operationalizes them. Unless Geiger is working outside of the Steering Committee mandates, then I don't see why the blame should be pinned solely on him. On Tressel, he does not really play into this except that he has the responsibility to report things up to senior administration.

    More on institutional control below...

    ----------------------
    http://nacda.collegesports.com/convention/proceedings/1990/90institutional.html


    "A review of the Committee's opinions, issued during 1988, 1989 and 1990, indicates that a finding of of institutional control may result from anyone of several circumstances, including: I) a series of patter] secondary violations, which demonstrate the failure to comply with institutional control and compliance principles; 2) a belief by the Committee that the institution has failed to manage its athletic program properly; 3) the failure of the institution to promptly investigate and report violations of NCAA legislatil 4) the failure of the institution to be vigilant and to act on facts and circumstances that it knew or shou have known were red flags, which should have put the institution on notice that it was necessary to monitor activityand to develop a compliance program to respond to it; 5) the failure to have an adequate monitori~ certification program relating to financial aid, practice and competition; 6) the failure to develop and implement effective rules education programs and monitoring systems, and; 7) the failure to have systems in place for seeking legislative interpretations."

    Interesting section....

    The Clemson case decided in late May, 1990, consisted of two allegations involving major violations of a lireited nature in addition to some secondary violations that did not impact the penalty.

    On two occasions, one football player received and distributed cash payments ranging between $50 and $70 to another player; and at a different time, this same player received $50 from a representative of the university's athletics interests.

    The Committee cited the following three factors in mitigation of a more severe penalty: I) there were only two violations involving three limited cash payments to an enrolled student-athlete and some secondary violations that did not amount to a major violation. The Committee commented that no other serious allegations were presented to it. The two major violations do not in and of themselves demonstrate a lack of institutional control under the circumstances found jD this case. 2) It was also decided the violations could have occurred in a program that was operating in accordance wj.th NCAA legjf!lation. 3) the university presented evidence of jts efforts to improve institutional control since its last appearance in 1982. For example, the implementation of record keeping, monitoring controls, rules education programs for staff and representatives of the university's athletics interests. The university was instrumental in identifying and producing the player who received the D~ney.

    As the cases illustrate, if the institution can establish that it is in compliance with the institutional control legislation, even though violations occurred, institutional control constitutes a mitigating, or unique factor which mitigates against more severe penalties.

    In addition, strong corrective action taken prior to the hearing before the Comulittee on Infractions to prevent reoccurrence of a violation also constitutes mitigatjon. Generalitjes and promises are not enough. Replacing staff is not enough. Cooperation is not enough. The institution must convince the Committee that it has developed a comprehensive and effective compliance program.


    I can think of two direct replies:

    1) AG is the figurehead of the OSU Athletic Department and is an obvious public target

    2) If some of those people on your list like AG, then he is not doing his job.
     
  9. Cajunbuck

    Cajunbuck Banned

    Great info

    Obviously you've done your homework DABuckMD. Great post with great information....I interpret most of it as favorable for us based on what we know. Thanks!
     
  10. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    DaBuckMD, superb post...have a Great Post Award on me. This is the kind of discussion and factual support that makes this board rock.
     
  11. LightningRod

    LightningRod Senior

    NY Times Article

    Title should be Amid the Sensationalism
     
  12. Cajunbuck

    Cajunbuck Banned

    This goes back to my original post......I think Andy is a great AD and person. But I haven't worked with him or for him. I also am not a reporter trying to cover OSU. In today's society you really have to take the diplomatic route when dealing with people. Andy has probably struggled with that at times.

    I can't believe that an idiot like Clarett has enough credibility to even bring into question our program's ethics.

    But, we put old Maurice on that pedestal........from hamburger helper to Omaha steaks overnight. Your a shit of a human being but you can run that ball! The poor black kid from a terrible upbringing. Family members hangin' on trying to make a buck. How often have you seen this playout in all forms of athletics? A full-ride to a major u is not seen as an opportunity to prepare yourself for the rest of life.....it's seen as a paycheck preparation camp by these kids and their families. Any way to speed up that process is going to be taken. For every kid that does it right....10 are trying to get over...IMO.

    It's truly terrible.
     
  13. AkronBuckeye

    AkronBuckeye Banned

    Truly sad.....

    Iam just amazed at what AG did for Ohio State the past few years.....

    IMO hes done some Great things.

    Iam sick by the way hes being HUNG OUT TO DRY.....
    and now his family gets dragged through the mud.....

    TRULY SAD :sad:

    :mad2:
     
  14. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    The NY Times article says AG needs to go- what a surprise. At least they gave him credit for facing the heat.

    I think AG would fall on his sword if he thought it would be the best thing for tOSU. But to think that we'll no longer get heat if AG leaves is pretty naive, IMO. I would prefer that he stay for the 1 1/2 years he has left on his contract.

    If he leaves early, the vultures will claim that something was really wrong with the program and that's why he left. They'd also take credit for getting rid of him, and claim his 'scalp'.

    Please continue to valiantly lead tOSU through these troubled times, AG. True Buckeye fans support you.
     
  15. Cajunbuck

    Cajunbuck Banned

    Right on Akron and BuckeyeBill...Andy deserves to stay and see it through. he's a great leader.
     

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