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Andy Geiger- Retired Athletic Director (Merged all relevant threads)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Alumni' started by OSUBasketballJunkie, May 12, 2004.

  1. buck e

    buck e Rookie

    What is happening to Geiger right now is the most unfortunate and unfair manner in which I have ever seen anyone treated with respect to their job. I noticed the discussion regarding institutional control and OSU's compliance policies. My understanding, and this comes from someone who has always given me reliable information, is that OSU does indeed have THE model compliance program. When other schools are having problems and need to clean things up, the NCAA basically hands them the blueprint that OSU has in place. I don't believe there is anything more that OSU can do and I think the NCAA knows this.
  2. gost8

    gost8 Living and loving life

    :osu: Interesting Article on Andy Geiger
    <HR style="COLOR: #888888" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->NY Times Article
    <HR style="COLOR: #888888" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Quote:
    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Amid Ohio State's Free Fall, It's Time to Bail Out

    Published: January 1, 2005

    Sometime between Wednesday night and yesterday afternoon, I came to the conclusion that Andy Geiger, the Ohio State athletic director, should resign. Over the past two years, the Buckeyes' athletic program, under Geiger's watch, has suffered one nightmare after another. A proud program with a deep tradition is beginning to look like a renegade program.


    As it turns out, Geiger, faced with the most trying times in his 11-year tenure, has been weighing his options.

    "The better question is whether I want to keep doing this," Geiger said yesterday in a telephone interview. "There is no joy in this. You can't be effective as an A.D. or as a leader if you don't have the passion for it. I'm going to have to take some time to think about this."

    The latest headache for Geiger and Ohio State came Wednesday, when the university suspended quarterback Troy Smith from the Alamo Bowl for receiving unspecified benefits from a booster.

    The suspension came only a month after Maurice Clarett, the former Ohio State running back, made allegations that football players receiving extra benefits was not uncommon.

    If Geiger resigns - and I think he has no choice - his departure would be one of the most unlikely falls from grace in intercollegiate athletics. He has been one of the most respected administrators in college athletics, but the recent scandals on his watch have made his position untenable.

    "The issue for me is more whether I want to be here and do this as a way to end what has been a pretty darn good career than whether they want me here," he said.

    Ohio State won the national championship in football two seasons ago. Clarett played well in that game and was a major reason the Buckeyes defeated Miami in double overtime. Since then, Ohio State and Geiger have been plagued by Clarett. In fact, the problem with Clarett began the week of the championship game, when he blasted the university for not paying his way to Youngstown, Ohio, so he could attend the funeral of a friend, whom he described as being like family.

    Afterward, a series of disclosures emerged concerning Clarett: academic improprieties, falsifying the value of items stolen from his car, being given access to a car dealer's automobile, misleading N.C.A.A. investigators.

    In a November ESPN The Magazine article, Clarett said he received free use of cars, bogus grades and cash from boosters. Geiger was incensed by the accusation and fired back with a vengeance at ESPN, saying that he refused to give Clarett any credibility when "he's been unable to tell the truth under any circumstances when I've been around him."

    In the wake of the disclosures about Smith, Geiger said he wished he had held his tongue.

    The university's dismissal of Jim O'Brien as basketball coach last summer for giving $6,000 to a recruit five years earlier and now the Smith revelation suggest that Ohio State's problems may be deep-rooted.

    "I wish I had not been so vociferous in regard to Maurice," Geiger said. "But because of what he has put this university through, I have a hot button when it comes to Maurice Clarett."

    Geiger also said yesterday that Clarett had contacted Ohio State through an intermediary. "He said he would recant his story if we said nice things about him to the N.F.L.," Geiger said.

    The larger issue is that this Ohio State drama gets deeper and more personal each month. The publicity is awful for Ohio State and for Geiger, who must bear the burden of criticism, especially at an institution where everyone - from the president down to the football coach - says he knew nothing. Nothing.

    Geiger, to his credit, has faced up and taken the public beating.

    Last week, after being severely taken to task during an interview on ESPN, Geiger returned to his hotel room to find his wife near tears. "My wife was white and shaking, my son was beside himself," he said. "I'm thinking to myself, Why do I have to do this?' I've spent 33 years as an A.D. at some pretty good programs," he said. "This is horrible and grossly unfair.

    "Because of one guy, this one guy, we've gone through two years of hell," he said. "I don't see how to shake it, I don't see how to get out of it."

    The only way out is to resign. Geiger can stop the bleeding, save his good name and shift the negative focus away from O.S.U.

    But Geiger may not be inclined to defend his name by stepping down. "You defend it best by staying," he said, "but I'm old enough that I'm not sure I want to risk my health and put my wife through this.

    "This program is under firm control, and it's well managed," Geiger said. "I've been here 11 years, and the program is much better now than when I came in."

    The question is whether the program - and the university - will be better if Geiger stays. Frankly, Coach Jim Tressel is just as culpable as Geiger - perhaps more. But his football team won a national championship, and in intercollegiate athletics, titles buy time.

    Geiger has run out of time. He has been great for Ohio State, but he's got to move on. Things may only get worse. This is not a winnable game. (end)

    I hate to open this can of worms but the thing that struck me about this article is the quote, Geiger also said yesterday that Clarett had contacted Ohio State through an intermediary. "He said he would recant his story if we said nice things about him to the N.F.L."

    If what AG says is true, what does this do to MOC's credibility? (If you think he had any to begin with.)

  3. Holy Buckeye!

    Holy Buckeye! Next Victim Egg Hoke!

    Are any of you alumni? The reality is that my school is taking a shit bath and has been for almost the entire time JT has been there. Do I want JT fired? NO. Do I want AG fired? NO. However, some of this stuff that has been happening is inexcusable. <O:p</O:p

    Are you so concerned with winning football and basketball games that our school's reputation as whole should be tarnished? Does it matter that alumni living outside <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:State u2:st="on"><U1:p<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pOhio</U1:p</u1:State></ST1:p</st1:State> and new graduates can be viewed negatively in all sorts of professional arenas, regarding our bad reputation? <O:p</O:p


    In business and in life the people at the top are accountable, be a tad bit mature about this situation and lose the stupid ideas that JT and AG have no clue that Maurice Clarret showed up in a different vehicle ever week. Viewing the other BS that has become the NORM at The Ohio State University Athletic programs of late and keep defending it? It is frustrating and sad that we all here watched the Buck’s Bowl game on national TV only to have 75% of the focus be on our dirty reputation. I hate to say it but if more facts surface heads should roll.<O:p</O:p

    Last edited: Jan 1, 2005
  4. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Holy Buckeye, yes I graduated from The Ohio State University. I think it's safe to assume that most graduates aren't pleased with the way tOSU has been portrayed in the media lately.

    Due to the nature of your post, I'm not sure whom you're telling to be more mature, but thanks for the advice. I don't consider myself to be blindly supporting JT and AG simply because we've had a pretty good record on the football field lately.

    When you say you don't want JT or AG fired, but at the end say that soon 'heads should roll', I'm not sure what you want tOSU or the Athletic Department to do.

    If you have recommendations on how to improve things, as opposed to apparently just complaining about the situation and about other posters' perceived opinions, I believe that I would be more receptive to what you have to say.
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2005
  5. Holy Buckeye!

    Holy Buckeye! Next Victim Egg Hoke!

    If any more stupid and damaging incidents occur with our Athletic programs, the University should terminate the head of it and any other school employee involved including, but not limited to, any head coach or staff found guilty.<O:p</O:p


    My anger is that most of these kids that keep getting in trouble are one with troubled pasts; it is the programs responsibility to research these kids a tad bit better. I'm really not trying to flame this post or be a jerk, I just believe that it is time to quite making excuses and start being more honest as alumni should.<O:p</O:p
  6. BucksinFL

    BucksinFL Buckeye fan for life.....

    I loved Maurice when he played. An absolutely phenomonal talent and I do believe we may repeat as champions if didn't screw up and plays his second season.

    Now, I could care less about him or what he says....

    Every other teams fans hated him when he played, called him a punk, said he was character issues. Ill admit I was one of the fans that stood up for him and believed that Tressel could guide him into a better place.

    I was wrong, and those fans were right about MC. So why are they now taking his words with a grain of salt?
  7. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Where do you see kids with troubled pasts being recruited?

    *Clarett graduated early and scored a 1220 on his SAT so he was obviously doing something right.

    *Izzy and Guilford both had spotless pasts before their stupid actions

    * Trepasso and Joe? College kids drinking does not set off alarms for me

    * Dukes received loads of praise as an individual from those who knew him and his actions were completely out of the blue

    *Troy Smith got in a fight during a basketball game...although in hindsight that can be skewed to be a sign of future trouble, I personally don't view him as an "at-risk" recruit due to that

    As to your earlier question, yes I did graduate from tOSU. Nobody, whether alumni or fan, likes what is happening to the program. However, take away Clarett and ask yourself if this scrutiny is still taking place. Geiger even verified Clarett's contacting tOSU to rescind the tale...the kid stirred the pot with his venomous lies and hyperbole and now the program is under the tighest microscope imaginable.

    The Smith incident, although embarrassing, happens elsewhere. The key is how the problem was handled...IMO it was handled properly thus far with his future still undecided as more facts come to light.

    I completely agree that a precedent must be set for this program. If that means a sacrificial lamb must be removed, so be it. However, I do not think that lamb should be JT or AG. Beyond winning games, JT has improved this program. A 14% graduation rate has risen to 52% and continues to climb. 22 Academic honorees and a number of quality young men like AJ, Teddy, Nuge, JZ, and Hamby who are lost in the shuffle due to the indiscretions of a few. I refuse to throw this program under the bus due to the lies and twisted logic of a selfish individual who has magnified minor incidents, with the exception of one violation, into a firestorm of public scrutiny.

    As a graduate, I will continue to support the school and athletic programs with the faith that the proper changes will be made to get this program out of this microscope.
  8. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Well said, g21.
  9. AkronBuckeye

    AkronBuckeye Banned

    Common..... Holy Buckeye BUT

    I can see your frustration.....We as Buckeye fans feel it also...

    But Blaming the Head Coach or the AD or President..I just dont agree

    look at Meetchicken for a second.....

    Is Lloyd Carr and his Bosses responsible for the player who Pissed up a Hotel
    or the player who Flashed his little thing all over A. Arbor.....
  10. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    Let me say that I think AG has done a tremendous job as the AD at OSU. I don't like what I hear about how close sanctioned boosters are to the program, but that is not the issue here. I would hate for him to leave at this time. If he needs to go IF anything is turned up as a result of the NCAA inquiry that is fine. Otherwise, I want him to stay until he is ready to leave on his terms. I have a feeling that if left now for the sake of his family he would regret it in a year. Leaving now would only give idiots (reporters) a reason to say he is guilty and MoC was right.
  11. Holy Buckeye!

    Holy Buckeye! Next Victim Egg Hoke!

    Accountability is a part of being a leader.<O:p</O:p


    Moc was suspended for two games by his head coach, LI was in consent trouble in high school and Troy Smith was involved with accusing St. Edwards as racist, besides getting in fights. OSUGrad as much as you post on here I can’t believe you aren’t familiar with some of the baggage unfortunately these kids came with. If we can’t stop drinking the kool-aid for just a minute and realize that perhaps we might have to own up to bad decisions and choices that our programs have made than these problems will not stop.<O:p</O:p


    A common reaction is to defend our school and its programs, however the price is becoming quite costly with our reputation nationally. I realize that more than likely many other Division One programs have similar issues but this stuff drove us crazy under the Coach Cooper regimen and has worsened under JT. Perception is unfortunately reality and the view of our beloved Buckeyes is horrible.

  12. BucksinFL

    BucksinFL Buckeye fan for life.....

    Well, considering it was LLLoyd Carr's Idea in the first place lol jk.

    I don't even like LLoyd to be honest. I dont know if most Michigan fans do either.
  13. Holy Buckeye!

    Holy Buckeye! Next Victim Egg Hoke!

    I will always support my University through thick or thin but I can't be so naive to think that it is farfetched to say that some bad choices and decisions were made by our Coach and Athletic Director. I hope that JT and AG survive this debacle and remain at tOSU, but more importantly I hope our schools image is restored.
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2005
  14. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    I also am an alumni who is interested in the image of my alma mater, but I am not convinced that Geiger's resignation will do anything but ratchet up the pressure on OSU.

    Let's be honest here. The NYT is hardly an unbiased source of information about OSU and rank just behind ESPiN for their biased reporting of OSU. Little news from them about their scumbag journalist and his faked resume, is there?

    I am in agreement with OSUgrad, I don't see anything that would have indicated "bad recruit" prior to our problem children arriving. In fact, Clarett was being touted like an altar boy for his constant encouragement of the team to work hard before the first game in 2002.

    The Troy Smith episode is not a smoking gun suggesting many more violations, in my opinion, but rather the outcome of the unbelievable scrutiny under which the OSU sports adminstration is operating. I am convinced by the arguments made by AKAK the other day, it is not in the interest of the student to just kick him off of the program and universities are supposed to be putting the interests of the student first.

    What Troy Smith did is stupid and wrong. He will pay greatly and already is. But Geiger didn't find a pimp for him or force him to accept anything. It also is not in the interest of the University, that a long-serving and high achieving AD be sent out in disgrace. It is unfair that Geiger wears this as if he had transgressed some rule or that anyone else at OSU is under such scrutiny.

    We keep hearing these same baseless charges (MoC drove a new car every week, etc) repeated as if these were truth. If Geiger retires, it is a way out of this, because then the media can point to how OSU is now going to "clean up" its programs.

    The campaign against OSU is disgusting and obscene and we, who support OSU, should be standing up and defending AG and JT, while at the same time urging them to continue confronting any irregularities that might emerge. We also should be ignoring ESPiN and tuning away from them, that's the only thing that will make them stop.
  15. Onebuckfan

    Onebuckfan classof76

    the unanswered ?

    Who hooked TS up with Mr. Baker. There has been a lot of new boxes built at the horseshoe and Schott for our boosters. Who is responsible for making the Boosters a larger part of our athletic program? AG!The university needs to keep a closer eye on the booster/atlete relationship.

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