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Anonymous Coaches view of Mich & tOSU (merged)

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A Big Ten coach has this to say about Michigan!

Paraphrase from the latest Sporting News CF Preview:

Michigan is a physical team and they are extremely talented. Michigan doesn't show up every week. I think they're pompous, over-recruited arrogant type kids. Michigan is the only school in our league that recruits nationally. If you lined them up and had them run 40 yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them bench and power clean, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better. The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder. And to me, that's a microcosm of the two programs.
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That's from another Big Ten coach. Wow.
 
well i agree with most of that statement, the one thing i really really disagree with is that scUM players have more talent then our boys do. Now that is some crap.. But i do agree that our players try alot harder and have alot more heart then scUM and everyone else in the Big Ten!
 
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Ginn4Heisman said:
well i agree with most of that statement, the one thing i really really disagree with is that scUM players have more talent then our boys do. Now that is some crap.. But i do agree that our players try alot harder and have alot more heart then scUM and everyone else in the Big Ten!
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i would also have to disagree to this point:

Michigan is the only school in our league that recruits nationally. If you lined them up and had them run 40 yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them bench and power clean, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better.

I bet if you lined up all of the FB players in the big 10, there would be 2 tOSU guys in the top 5 for the 40, and i would have we would have a few top 10 in all of the weight stuff too.
 
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Not sure what you are basing this off of, just b/c Michigan HAS to recruit OOS does not mean our In-State boys are not top notch. Teddy Ginn, Freddie Lenix, Jamario O'Neal just to name a few are faster than the recruits Michigan brought in at those positions.

BTW, please tell me how "fast" Michigan's LB's are (their starting lineup was quite slow last year, vs. Hawk 4.46, Carp 4.52, Schlegel 4.6ish, MDA 4.48). Then let's look at DBs, Jackson isn't very fast, not as fast as youboty and definitely not as fast as Fox. And Salley is faster than Shazor.

Is Hart as fast as Pittman & Haw? Watson as fast as Pitcock? Breaston vs. Ginn, Avant vs. Gonzalez? Henne vs. Smith? The answer is no to all of those.

I have a feeling you are basing this on the fame that their national recruits get vs. in state studs... much like we don't know much about the local talent Texas brings in because they are not as nationally known names.

I'm not saying they don't have physical freaks on that team, they do. But I'm not sure where you are basing the claim that they are definitely faster than our team.
 
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It has to be due to the sluggishness of Ohio athletes in general, like Butch Reynolds and Jesse Owens.

Where did I read recently that the state of Ohio has dozens of players every year that go on to play 1-A ball and the state of Michigan only has a dozen or so? Ohio has always been and will always be a football state. Just because we focus locally first in recruiting does not mean Ohio players are not talented. But hey, if opponents want to think they are faster and stronger so be it. We will let the final score prove who is better.
 
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I'm gonna skip the OL, b/c its the area I know the least about...

If it is hard to determine which is faster (ie some of the DBs), I went with pro material. Here is my list

QB - Smith vs Henne
HB - Pittman/Haw vs Hart/Martin
WR 1 - Holmes vs Edwards
WR 2 - Ginn vs Breaston
WR 3 - Gonzalez vs Avant
TE - Hamby vs Massaquoi

DE - Richardson vs Woodley
DT - Pitcock vs Watson
DT - Green vs Massey (?)
DE - Kudla vs Woods (very slight, Kudla could bend Woods in two)

OLB - Hawk vs Burgess
MLB - Schlegel vs McClintock
OLB - Carpenter vs Crable

CB - Youboty vs Jackson (wash in my book, Jackson's slow)
FS - Salley vs Shazor
SS - Whitner vs Mundy
CB - Everett vs Mason

OSU - 11 UM - 4
 
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Michigan is the only school in our league that recruits nationally. If you lined them up and had them run 40 yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them bench and power clean, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better.
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Does anyone else detect a strong aroma of crack? :roll1:

Kudla benches 550+. Clarett was squating 700+ (yeah, he's in the NFL now, but he would have been a senior had he stayed). I don't think Michigan has anyone to beat that. Both Ginn and Gonzalez are faster than any receiver in the conference, and probably the country. I think our S&C program stacks up against anyone's in the country, and with the addition of Butch Reynolds, our players will be scary fast.
 
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A lot to cover here. Lets get started:

"I think they're pompous, over-recruited arrogant type kids."

Well, maybe these 'pompous' kids don't play as hard because they don't have the same sense of attachment, loyalty, family, & importance that kids from a predominantly in-state Program does. When Ohio State went to the '03 Fiesta Bowl, every Ohio kid (save maybe Clarett) knew how important that National Championship was to the state on every single level. Maybe a Program that has to scour the country for talent doesn't instill the same sense of loyalty that a school who doesn't have to do that does.

"Michigan is the only school in our league that recruits nationally."

Ohio State & Penn State don't recruit nationally? This is news to me .. Ohio State doesn't HAVE to recruit nationally to the extent that scUM does, because we have the talent to compete right between the Ohio borders. If scUM could get anywhere near that level of talent in-state, they wouldn't have to go all over the country either.

Does Florida State, Florida, & Miami NOT recruit nationally because most of their kids are from Florida too?

"The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder."

If this is true, then how come every scUM coach for the last 100 years has had his scrawny nose up the ass of every high-profile Ohio HS recruit? If our Ohio kids aren't up to the talent-level of these 'national' kids, then I think scUM should rescind their offers to all the Ohio recruits and let us have 'em.
 
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With sport journalism at the bottom of the food chain, who knows if this stuff is real or fabricated? Of course the weasels recruit outside of their state; if not they might compete against Princeton and Southern Florida A&M. (Apologies to both schools).

The aim of most sport writing in commericial rags is to create some type of rub, some angle to anger or to start fan arguements.

If anyone has watched the last 4 games, Bucks against the weasels, most of these "observations" (read: bullshit), evaporate in the morning sunlight.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
A lot to cover here. Lets get started:

Well, maybe these 'pompous' kids don't play as hard because they don't have the same sense of attachment, loyalty, family, & importance that kids from a predominantly in-state Program does. When Ohio State went to the '03 Fiesta Bowl, every Ohio kid (save maybe Clarett) knew how important that National Championship was to the state on every single level. Maybe a Program that has to scour the country for talent doesn't instill the same sense of loyalty that a school who doesn't have to do that does..
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Yeah, our QB from Michigan, our WR/CB from Florida, and our best D-lineman from New York certainly didn't know what winning a national title was all about. :roll1:

Heck, even the great Eddie George wasn't from Ohio.
 
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tibor75 said:
Yeah, our QB from Michigan, our WR/CB from Florida, and our best D-lineman from New York certainly didn't know what winning a national title was all about. :roll1:

Heck, even the great Eddie George wasn't from Ohio.
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Along with our most obnoxious poster being from Asspackinstan...
 
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