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So VR, did you feel it was so unfair when UM players and coaches who had nothing to do with Ed Martin had to bear the brunt of post-season bans and possibly a few other things? If not, you may wish to reconsider your stance. As for Geiger, the guy should probably be sainted for all of the crap he's had to deal with from half-cocked OSU fans alone, not to even mention the rest of the world.
 
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vrbryant said:
None of this is fucking fair. What point is there in punishing this team? None of the fucking "violations" O'Brien committed have ANYTHING to do with this team or these coaches. FUCK Geiger, FUCK the NCAAssholes. Complete and total horseshit.
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The same thing was done to Michigan's b-ball program a few years back. Their B-ball program as punished for things that happened well before their team at the time had arrived. Why? Because the punishment is against the basketball program, not the team. Granted, the team gets affected along with the program, but life sucks sometimes.
 
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No, the Michigan punishments are no less fucked up than these, but don't pretend like the two violations are anything close to being the same thing. They might be close in the NCAAssfucks' rule book, but anyone with eyes can see that O'Brien wasn't trying to unfairly help the program.

Fire Obie, strip us of our Final Four appearance, take down the banner. You don't punish these kids. Totally fucking inappropriate, any way you slice it.
 
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Bucklion said:
Well, Stadium is right, we might not even be post-season eligible this year. Does that mean we can't play in the Big 10 tourney, or only the NCAA and NIT tourneys?
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tOSU will play in the Big-10 tourney. Even if we win it, we will not play in the NCAA.
 
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Theres a difference in giving a kid money to see his family while WAR is tearing up his country, and giving a kid money to play basketball for your university. The NCAA needs to have and "interpretive" point of view more often instead of everything being so black and white. When violations improve your school or program then they should be punished. When so called violations are to help a young person out then the ncaa should be much more lenient.
 
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I don't blame Andy Geiger for this (for only giving me one ticket my freshman year, yeah), but not for this. He did what he had to do because he knew the NCAA was coming after us. But this is a complete shame for the kids. The NCAA has time and again refused to have any compassion for the players they oversee and that's a damn shame.

But what can you possibly do to hold the NCAA accountable for their out and out disregard for the innocents? Nothing. You get screwed, and I guess you just have to take it up the pooper.
 
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Of course it is tough that the innocents get punished - but what other method can you use to hold a program accountable? Improprieties are almost always found after the fact. The NCAA has zero leverage over Obie now - unless they want to place a coaching ban which does nothing to make OSU accountable. Post season means money and that was the real cost. I look for the additional sanctions to mean at least one lost schollie.
 
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Why does the program need to be held accountable? What did the program do? I mean, other than what Obie seems to think it did:

"I believe the University is mistaken in its impression that the NCAA would sanction it on account of conduct that occurred six years ago," O'Brien said in the statement. "I believe that as the whole story comes out, it will become clear that the University took the action of today because of other conduct for which I was not responsible."

Not sure what that shit it supposed to mean. Honestly. But if this is about the Savovic/Other foreign guy issue, then I don't see why the post-Obie program needs to be punished.
 
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The program needs to be held accountable because the program is the only thing the NCAA has any control over. I hate it too, but without some accountability there are no rules. What Geiger is really responding to and where that goes is another interesting question.

Of course, Obie has to talk that way because he is suing the U saying he did nothing wrong. But I am hard pressed to come up with something improper that happened for which Obie had no accountability. If the sanctions are because of Obie and he does win his bag of cash I wonder if he will give some to Stockman and the others he screwed over.
 
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osu was going to get nailed for the entire savovic/ob $6k gift affair. They were going to hit with a loss of postseason play at some point.

for those that follow the team, its current state, and the importance of the '06 recruiting class, this move makes total sense.

it wont be any more fair if osu were to get banned from postseason play 2 years from now when the players are even further removed.

if the ncaa can reprimand utah and majerus for buying a current player a meal and consoling him after he found out his father died, then they could string up osu and ob if they chose to do so. this pre-empted a lot of it, and in all liklihood ensured that only one year of postseason play was lost.
 
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Wow!! OB not guilty of wrongdoing? This is the first I heard of the money being given AFTER it was determined that Radojevic would not be eligible. This really changes things in my mind if the truth.



O'Brien says Ohio State premature in taking postseason ban
12/9/2004, 6:12 p.m. ET
The Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A statement issued by former Ohio State coach Jim O'Brien on Thursday after the university announced it would ban its men's basketball team from consideration for an NCAA or National Invitation tournament berth in 2005:

"Ohio State has jumped the gun once again. The University terminated me without giving me an opportunity to discuss all the facts and before I received the benefit of a full and fair investigation by the NCAA, as my contract required. And now, the University has chosen to self-impose sanctions before the NCAA has concluded its investigation, purportedly because of my actions. It's ironic that the University has done so based upon conduct I purportedly engaged in, yet the University still has not met with me to review all of the relevant facts.

"I have and will continue to cooperate with the NCAA throughout the course of its investigation. I did provide a loan to Alex Radojevic's mother. I did so because I believed it was morally right. Mrs. Radojevic had recently lost her husband and she was struggling for survival in the midst of the Serbian War. I did not then and I do not now believe that my actions would result in any NCAA sanctions. At the time that I provided this humanitarian assistance to Mrs. Radojevic, it was already a known fact that Alex was a professional athlete and, therefore, not eligible to participate in NCAA athletics.

"I was sorry to learn that the University opted to sacrifice the senior season of many fine young student athletes rather than allow the NCAA to consider and evaluate all of the relevant facts. I believe the University is mistaken in its impression that the NCAA would sanction it on account of conduct that occurred six years ago. I believe that as the whole story comes out, it will become clear that the University took the action of today because of other conduct for which I was not responsible."
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tsteele316 said:
it wont be any more fair if osu were to get banned from postseason play 2 years from now when the players are even further removed.
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I'd be considerably less upset if a certain friend of mine was ever going to get to play in another NCAA tournament. They'd better not take away next year too. Bottom line is that I just don't feel that what Obie did was wrong. He got fired - that was more than enough punishment, in my opinion. Fuck the NCAA.
 
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It does always feel like the student-athletes are the ones who are punished, as are the fans. I'm not sure how a post-season ban punishes the coaches and/or administrators.

How about we play in the tourney (if we make it), and just forfeit the money? Doesn't seem right that the guys on the team should have to suffer.

This has always been a point of irritation for me though. Toss out for a moment what Obie's offense was -- he gets fired, and will likely end up with a job on another team, and possibly extra money from OSU. Sure, his credibility takes a hit, but he doesn't get punished by the NCAA. Instead, the school does, the players do.

I honestly believe that punishments should follow the coach. At least in part. Any school that hires Obie, should have to deal with the baggage that comes with him.

I know that would make it a hell of a lot harder for them to get jobs, and I feel bad saying it because I honestly don't feel like Obie's offense itself was all that bad (I think hiding it was worse than the act itself), but damn if they shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of their own actions, above and beyond having to move and change jobs.

Just don't know that it's the athletes who should suffer "NCAA judgement".

As others have said, ah, fuck the NCAA.
 
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