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Baseball Hall of Fame (Cooperstown)

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Blyleven and Alomar only two elected to Baseball Hall of Fame

NEW YORK (AP) -- Roberto Alomar and Bert Blyleven have been elected to baseball's Hall of Fame.
Alomar and Blyleven were chosen Wednesday by the Baseball Writers' Association of America after narrow misses last year.
Alomar was picked on 90 percent of the ballots. He was a 12-time All-Star and 10-time Gold Glove winner at second base.
Blyleven was listed on more than 79 percent of the ballots, above the 75 percent required for election. He won 287 games and ranks fifth on the career strikeout list.
Sluggers Rafael Palmeiro, Jeff Bagwell and Mark McGwire all fell below the 50 percent mark.
The induction ceremony will be held on July 24 in Cooperstown.


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LitlBuck;1850417; said:
Bert should have made it a couple years ago. Glad to see the boys who supposedly took roids fall below the 50% line.

It will be intersting to see (in a few years) how players like Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds who used to be considered "a lock for the hall of fame" fare with the voters.
 
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scooter1369;1855658; said:
For discussion:

Trevor Hoffman announced his retirement today on MLB.com. He's the alltime leader in saves with 601 and had nine 40 save seasons.

Is he a lock for Cooperstown?

Is he a lock? I think so. Mariano Rivera is.

The more important question and what I think you were getting at is, do closers belong in the Hall? I have two opposing thoughts on this:

On the one hand, closers are basically failed or limited players who teams find a way to use situationally. I have a hard time with taking a guy who usually only threw one pitch really well and making him a peer to a bunch of guys who did almost everything well.

On the other hand, i think the Hall should strive to represent the full history of the game. The same argument I'd make on behalf of Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Negro League players and steroid users applies to relief pitchers as well - the history of the game is incomplete without them.
 
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Bucklion;1850373; said:
Nice to see Blyleven finally make it. Everyone knew Alomar had more than a spitting chance of getting in.

LitlBuck;1850417; said:
Bert should have made it a couple years ago. Glad to see the boys who supposedly took roids fall below the 50% line.

Might not be a popular opinion, but I don't see Blyleven as a Hall of Fame, strict "best of the best" definition player. Very good pitcher, not great. I think he's one of those guys that benefitted from longevity. Barely above .500 pitcher (.534), only went to two all star games, never finished higher than third in the CY Young. Never led the league in wins or ERA and just once in K's. Had some really good years, but was he ever really GREAT?
Nutriaitch;1855669; said:
Dale Murphy should be getting a higher percentage of votes than he does
Another one I'll disagree with. Had five really good/borderline great years, a bunch of decent/good years and a few bad/awful ones. With that he'd need some post season heroics, which he also lacks. Really good player, far from GREAT.
 
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NFBuck;1855700; said:
Might not be a popular opinion, but I don't see Blyleven as a Hall of Fame, strict "best of the best" definition player. Very good pitcher, not great. I think he's one of those guys that benefitted from longevity. Barely above .500 pitcher (.534), only went to two all star games, never finished higher than third in the CY Young. Never led the league in wins or ERA and just once in K's. Had some really good years, but was he ever really GREAT?

Another one I'll disagree with. Had five really good/borderline great years, a bunch of decent/good years and a few bad/awful ones. With that he'd need some post season heroics, which he also lacks. Really good player, far from GREAT.


They need to be careful the Hall of Fame does not become the Hall of Very Good but not Great.
 
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NFBuck;1855700; said:
Another one I'll disagree with. Had five really good/borderline great years, a bunch of decent/good years and a few bad/awful ones. With that he'd need some post season heroics, which he also lacks. Really good player, far from GREAT.


i think he falls short of being a hall of famer.
but i think he deserves a higher % than 12.6
 
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JCOSU86;1855779; said:
We are planning a vacation this summer to the Cooperstown area and a visit to the Hall is #1 on the list of things to do. Has anyone been there before? What else is there to do in the area?

I was there a couple summers ago. I think you'll want to give yourself at least a half day to see the HOF.

Ommengang brewery is just a few miles outside of Cooperstown - they give tours that only take about an hour.

Other than that, there isn't much in the immediate area. If you want to continue a drinking tour, there are several wineries in the Finger Lakes area that you'll pass by on the way to Cooperstown.

We also went to West Point, which is a ways south from Cooperstown, but a worthwhile stop.

Edit - I didn't get to it, but Lake Placid isn't that far from there.
 
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