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BCS predictions/discussion/Knock Em' Off

Carmen Ohio;1017491; said:
No offense taken because Buckeye fans are not created equally. College football is not about last year... it is about who we have now and who we play now. According to the experts who don't watch us every week and don't know what JT did to prevent another national stage debacle... we are the underdogs. I could go into the details about why I think we're better than last year but frankly since you can't see how much different this year's LSU team is from last year's Florida team and how much different our approach is from last year, I'm sure this will be a hollow debate. No offense.
It would be a hollow debate because both sides would be right.

There's no point in us talking smack before the game because we have clear strengths and clear weaknesses. We can obviously be beat regardless of our prep. That is also true of LSU, so there's no point in either side running their trap. We'll just watch the game and see how it plays out. Talk is cheap, so why waste it until after the game.
 
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Don't know if the following was ever posted up - boards have been busy these last few days. (Lots of Tigers, though few Lions or Bears).

Jeff Amey - BCS Report - Did it Work?

His main questions are worth asking - Did the BCS work? If not what's wrong with it?

Though I think he hits on some very valid points, particularly how the recent trend toward teams leapfrogging late in the season in the human polls has taken the BCS away from the original intent to secure an unbiased approach to selecting #1 and #2 in a match-up, I feel he misses one and only hints at a second correlated event that moved the selection process toward the present situation.

First a snippet with the central thrust of Amey's argument:
How about after the BCS was implemented in 1998? From 1998 to 2005, before the current BCS model, there were NO instances of teams being jumped without a loss in the poll right before the bowls. In the two years since the change, it has become virtually the norm..
In most seasons, there has been a tendency to be almost too rigid in the polls. It wasn't easy for a team to jump another in the polls unless the teams above them lost. There were cases of teams being jumped, but it was not the norm. Normally, the polls are a little more fluid at the beginning of the season, but become less and less so as the season wears on and more information is known. That information makes it a lot easier to accurately rank teams so movement at the end of the season should be more difficult. That has been what makes the polls what they are since their inception.
These past two seasons, and the shift in the power in the BCS from the formula (NOT just the computers as most believe) to the human polls, have indicated a dangerous shift in how the polls are conducted as well. Instead of movement in the the final poll before the bowls being much tougher than at any other time in the season, it has become a very biased tool being used to place two teams in the National Championship game.
Last season, I thought the current BCS model was terrible. This season, I feel it is bordering on being criminal and bad for the game in general. What justification is there for LSU jumping from #7 to #2 in the BCS with only a 21-14 win over Tennessee in which they struggled and trailed for more than half of the game to add to their resume?
So which events am I speaking of?

The hinted one - the "refinement" of the BCS model post 2004. Remember this took the AP Poll out of the BCS formula, at the behest of AP voters. Remember though this largely happened because of the perceived iniquity of Auburn, or to a lesser extent, Utah not getting into the Championship game. Recall also that the preceding year the split #1 between the AP and BCS rankings riled supporters of LSU, USC and the media (who sided with AP voters). Notably the outfall from this controversy drew down drastically the importance of the computer polls, essentially eliminated margin of victory as a consideration and diluted strength of schedule when the BCS formula was totally rewritten.

The second, not mentioned at all, was the expansion of the schedule to 12 games.

Imagine if you will that strength of schedule and margin of victory were still given strong weighting in the BCS. Would we be guaranteed to have D-1AA teams populating schedules across college football? I think not. True, nobody would schedule multiple heavy-hitters post that expansion, but the likelihood is that the schedules resulting would have been more defensible. In the case of the Big 10, for instance, it may have lead us towards adding one more in-conference game.

There is also considerable irony here - as the media and others who attacked the BCS early on failed to recognize the wisdom of that sage aphorism: "Be careful what you wish for."

The media wanted to dilute the importance of schedule strength - well, guess what, in an example of the "free market" at work teams began scheduling accordingly. Those that were in a position to do so immediately (Big East, with all it's turmoils) immediately took the lowest road available. Other teams padded schedules when given an opportunity after the 12th game was added - citing, with some validity, the difficulty in arranging higher quality opponents on short notice.

The media wanted to see the BCS "improve" yet now they complain bitterly about the upshot of the very changes they sought to have take place. To paraphrase Darth Vader, "I find your lack of foresight disturbing."

It is past time that the media pundits be given a sharp poke in the eye and given a reminder that the perversion of the BCS, from the original and largely impartial model, was largely at their behest. You simply cannot have your cake, eat it too, then spit it back in the face of the system you clamored to see put in place. If the media were fundamentally honest they would support turning back the clock to something much closer to the original BCS - which applauded SOS, and offensive firepower while it diluted the influence of the very human voter polls now blamed for this leapfrogging. But, instead they clamor for a playoff - no doubt because confession of past errors on their part is something that is anathema to the journalistic soul.

Hypocrites - the lot of them.
 
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damn. great post. have some greenies.

the SOS post above made me look something up. did anyone notice USC's SOS? 80? they played TWO teams with winning records all year. TWO. pay attention to the fact that Illinois' SOS ranks 10th. that 14 point spread is a sucker bet. i'm going to wager my hard earned money that the Illini team that plays in Pasadena will be less of the team that shot itsself in the foot against Iowa and more of the team that held the ball for the last 8 minutes in the Horseshoe.
 
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Not enough to alter #1 vs. #2 - which, purportedly is all that the BCS was created to find - which is of course disingenuous, or more flatly - BS.

My view is though that were the AP Poll part of the BCS the votes might have come in somewhat differently - perhaps they would have got rid of worst voter in the history of Journalism, Jon Wilner. Well, one could only hope.

More substantively, and to recognize that there are sinners on both sides of the aisle. If the BCS had allowed the AP the right to vote differently than the monolithic 1,2 ranking prescribed by the BCS - after the bowls - then we might not have had the subsequent ass-kissing to foster the media's vision of the current system. Which, having midwifed it's birth, they then wish to strangle in the crib.
 
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SI.com - SI On Campus - Campus Quick Slants: Comparing the BCS teams to professional wrestlers - Wednesday December 5, 2007 12:36PM

OHIO STATE - Jake "The Snake" Roberts

Has there been a bigger snake in college football this season? Calmly ... quietly ... the Buckeyes have slithered their way to the top of the polls -- not once, but twice -- and have now unhinged their jaws and swallowed up a spot in the BCS Championship. The only thing missing from Jim Tressel's neck is Damien, Roberts' giant Burmese python.

LSU -- Ric Flair

Though lacking the platinum hair or "Nature Boy" moniker, LSU has been impossible to kill and college football's ultimate opportunist in 2007, using plenty of risky eye pokes and testicular claws to scrape its way back into contention.
 
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methomps;1023974; said:
SI.com - SI On Campus - Campus Quick Slants: Comparing the BCS teams to professional wrestlers - Wednesday December 5, 2007 12:36PM

OHIO STATE - Jake "The Snake" Roberts

Has there been a bigger snake in college football this season? Calmly ... quietly ... the Buckeyes have slithered their way to the top of the polls -- not once, but twice -- and have now unhinged their jaws and swallowed up a spot in the BCS Championship. The only thing missing from Jim Tressel's neck is Damien, Roberts' giant Burmese python.

LSU -- Ric Flair

Though lacking the platinum hair or "Nature Boy" moniker, LSU has been impossible to kill and college football's ultimate opportunist in 2007, using plenty of risky eye pokes and testicular claws to scrape its way back into contention.


Don't forget ND being the guy who used his real name, wore plain gray sweat pants and got the piss beat out of him by the stars on a regular basis.
 
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LA Times: BCS does stand for Bowl Chaos System, right?

BCS does stand for Bowl Chaos System, right?

12:30 PM PDT, August 2, 2008

With commissioners keeping the rankings formula in place through 2014 instead of implementing a playoff format, we're likely to see more of the same controversies this season.

Chris Dufresne

This is the sixth in a seven-part series on story lines to look for during the upcoming college football season:

Coaches lost their jobs last season, unemployment nationally is on the rise, but the Bowl Championship Series got a contract extension?

Last April, in a commissioners' cage match, status quo pinned hell-bent-for-change and the controversial BCS system lives, at least, through the 2014 bowl season.

It was rotten eggs for purists aching for a playoff but a governor's reprieve for columnists nourished by what many have called "nonsense."

The BCS was conceived to match No. 1 vs. No. 2 in a sport that doesn't have a playoff, yet the decade-old ratings formula has often produced unintended consequences.

No one can predict what's going to happen this year, but based on BCS history, chances are decent there could be another ruckus.

Our ranking of the biggest BCS controversies to date:

[...]

4: Year, 2006. No. 1 Ohio State beat No. 2 Michigan in an epic regular-season thriller and the talk afterward was whether Michigan, with one loss, deserved a rematch in the BCS title game. The BCS rankings, instead, promoted one-loss Florida to No. 2, and the Gators took advantage by beating Ohio State to win the BCS title.

cont'd...
 
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Last year was a record year for chaos. I predict a only slightly less chaotic year this year. Why? Look at the SEC to start. Even Georgia and Florida have issues that will cost them games. The Big Ten doesn't look stronger than last year. The Big 12 looks like another shoot out. Anyone playing defense there? The Big East is just plain bad. The Pac Ten looks like a one horse race with USC having the horses and schedule(barring a string of injuries). The ACC? Looks weaker overall. Notre Dame will be better and their schedule is weaker. Expect the unexpected, again.
Bowl Chaos System, indeed!
 
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