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Bcs what should/will be done?

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Hubbard, Jan 13, 2004.


What will be done with League Champions in the BCS this off-season?

  1. Point(s) added for losing the league.

    1 vote(s)
  2. Point(s) subtracted if you win league.

    4 vote(s)
  3. Can not participate in the championship game if you don't win your league.

    3 vote(s)
  4. Scrap the whole damn thing!

    2 vote(s)
  1. Hubbard

    Hubbard Administrator's Staff Member Bookie

    Let me preface this with I don't think the BCS is going down this year. Also should and will could definitely be separate polls. The BSC members are obviously going to do something this off season about the dilemma. I think you should be awarded for winning your league, like having a point(s) subtracted. But there is also the argument for not being in the game. What do ye think?
  2. Cincinnatibuck

    Cincinnatibuck Freshman

    I'd like a write in vote for not counting the conference championship game until all conferences has this game. There are a lot of pros and cons for this, but the way I see it is the conference championship games currently have the appearance of a playoff game with the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East, and the ACC getting a bye in the first round.
  3. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    Do nothing. I might eliminate strength of conferene, since
    there is no real way to figure that. Other than that, I
    would leave it alone. It's still better than anything we
    have ever had, and until the is a play-off system, people
    are going to whin. And probably even then. There wouldn't be a problem now if, being the men they pretend
    to be, USC would have made the following statement:

    "We, the school players, and fans, of USC give our heartfelt
    thanks to all of you who believe we should be #1 in the
    country. Nevertheless, we stand by the system that we
    agreed to at the beginning, and congratulate LSU for a
    job well done. We promise to come back next year with
    a stronger schedule and every intentions of playing for
    the National Championship."

    But they weren't, so they didn't. :oh: :io:
  4. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    Huh? RAM, there is no Strength of Conference that I know of. :confused:
  5. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    Then how do they figure if your schedule is strong or
    weak? And why aren't all Div. 1 teams considered for
    the BCS, and not just those in certain conferences?
    Strength of schedule has to be considered, because there are polls that use it . Right?
  6. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    RAM, there IS a Strength of Schedule component to the BCS but NO Strength of Conference component. The SOS is determined by your opponents win/loss record (2/3 of the score and your opponent's opponent's win/loss record (1/3 of the score). So, the SOS is determined by how well your opponents played (their record) and how well their opponents played (all the teams that your opponent has played). I will grant you that this is not a perfect way to determine who has played the toughest schedule, only who has played teams with the best won/loss records. You can get more SOS "points" by playing a 13-1 Boise State (WAC) than by playing 11-2 Ohio State (BigTen). Who do you think is really the better quality opponent?

    Also, there are 2 at large spots open for ANY division 1-A team, regardless of conference. So D1A teams from non BCS conferences can get in IF their BCS score/ranking is high enough.

    Details from the website"

    Compilation of BCS Standings
    The BCS Standings, since the beginning of the 2000 regular season, have been compiled by the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame.
    A statistical rating system will determine which teams will participate in the Bowl Championship Series. The ranking system, which is unchanged from 2002, will consist of five major components: subjective polls of the writers and coaches, computer rankings, schedule strength, team record and quality wins versus top 10 ranked teams in the BCS standings. The two teams which have the lowest point total in the five categories will play in the national championship game. The standings will be calculated from the results of all regular season games including exempt games and conference championship games.

    The poll component will be calculated based on the average of the ranking of each team in the Associated Press media poll and the USA Today/ESPN coaches poll. The rankings of each team will be added and divided by two. For example, a team ranked number one in one poll and number two in the other poll would receive 1.5 points in this component. (1+2 = 3 / 2 = 1.5)

    Computer Rankings
    The second component will consist of seven computer rankings which are published in major media outlets. The computer rankings will be: Jeff Sagarin (published in USA Today), Dr. Peter Wolfe, Richard Billingsley, Colley Matrix, Kenneth Massey, Anderson & Hester and The New York Times. The computer component will be determined by averaging the seven computer rankings. The lowest (worst) computer ranking will be disregarded. For example, if a team is ranked first in three polls, second in three polls and third in another, the ranking in which the team is ranked third will be disregarded and the remaining six polls will be added and divided by six (1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2 = 9/6 = 1.50)

    Strength of Schedule
    The third component will be a team's strength of schedule. It is calculated by determining the cumulative won/loss records of a team's opponents and the cumulative won/loss records of the teams opponents' opponents. The formula shall be weighted two-thirds (66 2/3 percent) for the opponents record and one-third (33 1/3 percent) for the opponents' opponents record. A team's schedule strength shall be calculated to determine in which quartile it will rank: 1-25; 26-50; 51-75; 76-100 and shall be further quantified by its ranking within each quartile (divided by 25). For example, if a team's schedule strength rating is 28th in the nation, that team would receive 1.12 points (28/25 = 1.12). Should a team play a Division I-AA opponent, only the losses of the Division I-AA team or the wins of that team against a Division I-A team be used in determining the opponent's record or the opponent's opponents' record.

    Team Record
    This component shall evaluate the team's won/loss record. Each loss during the season will represent one point in this component.

    Quality Wins
    The quality win component will reward to varying degrees teams that defeat opponents ranked among the top 10 in the BCS standings. A team that beats the No. 1 ranked team will have 1.0 points deducted from its BCS score. A team that beats the No. 10 ranked team will have 0.1 points deducted from its score. If a team defeats a top-10 BCS team twice in one season, the victorious team shall receive quality win points only once. Quality win points are calculated based on team ranking at the time standings are released. The scale is listed below:
    Rank Points Deducted
    1 1.0
    2 0.9
    3 0.8
    4 0.7
    5 0.6
    6 0.5
    7 0.4
    8 0.3
    9 0.2
    10 0.1

    All five components shall be added together for a total rating. The team with the lowest point total shall rank first in the BCS standings. The first BCS standings of the 2003 season will be released on Monday, October 20. The complete BCS standings will be available at this web site, the Bowl Championship Series ( and Big East ( web sites beginning October 20.
    This system of compiling the BCS standings will be utilized for:

    1. Selecting the teams that will participate in the championship game of the Bowl Championship Series.
    2. Determining any independent or team from a conference without an automatic selection which shall qualify for a guaranteed selection in one of the games of the Bowl Championship Series.
    3. Determining other automatic selections.
    4. Establishing the pool of eligible teams for at-large selection.

    2004 BCS Selection Order
    The national championship game will be played in the Nokia Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4, 2004, at the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans, La. This is the second time the Sugar Bowl will host the BCS National Championship contest (1999).

    After the Sugar Bowl matches the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked BCS teams, the other games will use regional consideration regarding team selection. The Rose Bowl (Jan. 1) will host the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions. The Tostitos Fiesta Bowl (Jan. 2) will host the Big 12 champion and the FedEx Orange Bowl (January 1) shall host either the ACC or Big East champion, should those teams not be ranked No. 1 or No. 2. All games will be telecast by ABC Sports.
    There are situations when the regional tie-ins, as mentioned above, will not be kept. The criteria for moving host teams to another bowl include:

    1. The same team hosting the same BCS Bowl for two straight years;
    2. Two teams that played against one another in the most recently completed regular season;
    3. The same two teams would play against each other in a bowl game for two consecutive years;
    4. An alternative pairing would have greater appeal to college football fans.
    If a BCS bowl loses a host team to the National Championship Game, then that BCS bowl shall be the first to select a replacement team from the pool of eligible teams. If two BCS bowls lose their host teams to the National Championship Game, the BCS bowl losing the top ranked team would have the first at-large selection, followed by the BCS bowl that lost the second-ranked team. Bowls cannot select a host team from another BCS bowl.
    Any BCS bowl game(s) still remaining unfilled will submit to the BCS a listing of its top three-team selections to fill its at-large slot. Any conference champion not already placed in a bowl game must be listed among such bowl games first two selections. Each BCS bowl will then be given its highest preference of teams.
    In a situation where two or more bowls select the same team(s) with their choices, the priority of selection would be the following:

    1. The bowl making the larger per team payment shall be given first preference;
    2. The bowl not getting first priority in the previous year, would be given first preference.
    At the conclusion of these procedures, the pairings established by the BCS bowls may be adjusted by the BCS, in consultation with the BCS bowls and ABC, in the interest of creating the most exciting and interesting postseason matchups possible.

    Which Teams are Eligible?
    The pool of eligible teams includes:

    1. The conference champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pacific-10 and Southeastern conferences. These teams are guaranteed berths.
    2. Teams from the above conferences that have won at least nine regular season games (not including wins in exempt games) and are ranked among the Top 12 in the final BCS standings. The final standings will be released on Sunday, Dec. 7.
    Note: A win versus a Division I-AA opponent may be counted once in four years to reach the required nine wins.
    3. Any Division I-A independent or champion of Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt or Western Athletic conferences, will gain a slot in one of the BCS games should that team be ranked sixth or higher in the final BCS standings—unless more than two teams meet this criteria. Should more than two teams be ranked in the top six of the standings, the BCS bowls will have their choice of any two from that group. However, any team ranked No. 1 or No. 2 must be selected for the National Championship Game.
    The automatic qualification of the original BCS conference champions is subject to review and possible loss of automatic selection by the BCS should the conference champion not have an average ranking of 12 or higher over a four-year period.

    Qualification for Certain At-Large Teams
    Each year there will be two at-large teams selected by the BCS Bowls and, in most years, the BCS Bowls will not be required to select any particular at-large team. The following are the exceptions:

    1. Any at-large team ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the final BCS Standings shall play in the BCS National Championship Game. If both the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in the BCS Standings are at-large teams, those teams shall play in the national championship game.
    2. Any team from a conferences who do not have automatic berths in the BCS bowls or an independent institution that is ranked third through sixth in the final BCS Standings shall qualify for a berth in one of the BCS games unless more than two teams meet this criteria. If one or more teams other than Notre Dame qualify for selection, Notre Dame shall also qualify for the at-large pool provided it is ranked in the top 10 in the final BCS standings or has won at least nine games, not including exempted games.
    3. The Bowls shall select from those teams that qualify in (2) above should insufficient slots be available.
    4. If any at-large slots remain unfilled after satisfying the criteria in (2) above and the team ranked third in the BCS standings is an at-large team, then the team ranked third in the BCS standings shall automatically fill one at-large slot and shall play in one of the BCS Bowls.
    5. If any at-large slots remain unfilled after satisfying the criteria in (2) and no at-large team qualifies for automatic selection under (4) above; and the team ranked fourth in the BCS standings is an at-large team, then the team ranked fourth in the final BCS standings shall automatically fill one at-large slot and shall play in one of the BCS Bowls.
  7. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    I don't know why I put strength of conference, when I was
    thinking strength of schedule. I don't believe that STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE can be accurately determined,
    and so I believe that should be done away with.

    Thanks for all the info, and for the time it took to post all
    of it. I appriciate it. :osu3:
  8. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    No problem RAM, most of the info was a cut & paste from the BCS web site. And yes, SOS is a difficult thing to quantify.

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