Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[ORD_Buckeye]

Good for the ACC. Way to give power to over to a partial-member who will cause chaos to conference standings and schedules for years to come.. I believe this means that Notre Dame will not play UM, MSU, or Purdue any longer.

If those schools have any balls, they'll take ND off the schedule forever. Same for all other conference schools for all sports unless we're tied to them in a conference.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

There are - and before this move by Ntre Ame, it was just a bunch of mutant subhuman freaks jibber jabbering to each other.

Now, the possibility isn't quite as remote and someone in the Ped State hierarchy might consider it - and if they do leave the BIG, I can completely see them pulling Ntre Ame in with their TV deal and all if the ACC will agree to not have them share the TV revenue....

I'm not saying it's going to happen though....

If Ped State were to go, I just don't trust in Delaney anymore to deal with it properly. He's shit the bed on just about every big issue since his crowning achievement with the network.

 

[ScriptOhio]

If Ped State were to go, I just don't trust in Delaney anymore to deal with it properly. He's [Mark May] the bed on just about every big issue since his crowning achievement with the network.

Picking up the Huskers was good.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Picking up the Huskers was good.

Remains to be seen. It was better than Missouri for football and worse for everything else, but it still was something of a half-measure in my opinion compared with a bold gesture such as Texas (unlikely), Domers (probably impossible) or going to 14 and establishing a big NE-Mid Atlantic presence with some combination of UVA-MD-BC-Rutgers-Syracuse (would have been a no-brainer at the time).

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Picking up the Huskers was good.

So was the B1G-PAC scheduling agreement.

Oh, wait. :ohwell:

 

[MaxBuck]

And honestly, I see this as possibly opening the door slightly for Ped State to go to the ACC once their sanctions are up.

Yeah, because we'd all love to go work for someone else at half the salary.

Penn State ain't leaving the B1G.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

So was the B1G-PAC scheduling agreement.

Oh, wait. :ohwell:

So was getting home field advantage as part of the playoffs....crap.

Well at least he got a conference champions provision.....doh!

On the two big issues since the BTN (expansion and the playoff), I give Delaney a C and flat out F respectively.

Mr. Delaney...one point zero. Congratulations, that puts you ahead of the Big East Commissioner.

 

[BigWoof31]

Good for the ACC. Way to give power to over to a partial-member who will cause chaos to conference standings and schedules for years to come.. I believe this means that Notre Dame will not play UM, MSU, or Purdue any longer.

It's probably some type of rotational schedule.
5 ACC games + Navy, Stanford, and USC
That leaves four games to be filled. Unless they expand their ACC play or pick up the occasional cupcake game, the door is open for UM/MSU/Perdue.

 

[Muck]

Do you see the B1G doing something?

To be honest I don't think it has much of an effect on the B1G's plans at all.

 

[Ryan36_1]

To be honest I don't think it has much of an effect on the B1G's plans at all.

JW, did you think the B1G was staying at 12 regardless of what else happened?

Because I agree that ND halfway to the ACC instead of the Big Least doesn't impact B1G, but now that ACC teams are effectively off the table, that takes pretty much any team that was a viable addition on there own merit and not named Texas.

 

[Muck]

JW, did you think the B1G was staying at 12 regardless of what else happened?

Barring some sort of cataclysmic event yes, at least over the short term.

Because I agree that ND halfway to the ACC instead of the Big Least doesn't impact B1G, but now that ACC teams are effectively off the table, that takes pretty much any team that was a viable addition on there own merit and not named Texas.

A larger exit fee doesn't take ACC teams off the table. If Maryland (or whomever) doesn't get turned around financially and decides that in the long term B1G money would save their athletic department history suggests it is very unlikely they would ever pay the full $50M.

This is a short term band-aid for the ACC just as it was for the Big East.

That being said I've said all along that the ACC is in a stronger position to survive as the fourth remaining big conference. Anyone who believed that the B12 was going to destroy the ACC was completely out of touch (or was a moonshine fueled mountaineer conspiracy lunatic).

That still doesn't mean it's current members are untouchable by the real power players (B1G/SEC).

 

[Muck]

Where the ACC & B1G/CIC schools sit in my composite academic rankings:

2 Chicago
5 TSUN
6 Duke
8 Northwestern
9 Wisconsin
10 North Carolina
12 Illinois
13 Minnesota
14 PSU
16 Ohio State
19 Virginia
20 Pitt
21 Maryland
24 Georgia Tech
27 Purdue
28 Sparty
30 Notre Dame
31 Indiana
32 Iowa
35 Miami
39 Wake Forest
40 VPI
42 NC State
46 Florida St.
48 Boston College
59 Syracuse
62 Clemson
63 Nebraska

 

[Muck]

After giving it some thought last night my thoughts have changed slightly on the ND move.

I'm starting to believe that this move might actually make the ACC more unstable in the immediate future and not just over the long run.

The quick imposition of the higher exit fee could conceivably push the two schools that appear to want out the most (Maryland & FSU) to try & jump ship immediately in order to avoid paying any of it. Florida State's spokesman actually used the term 'punitive' to describe the number. In court punitive fees are often deemed unenforceable. Seminole leadership might be trying to set up a case where they can get the hell out of dodge ASAP.

 

[BuckTwenty]

After giving it some thought last night my thoughts have changed slightly on the ND move.

I'm starting to believe that this move might actually make the ACC more unstable in the immediate future and not just over the long run.

The quick imposition of the higher exit fee could conceivably push the two schools that appear to want out the most (Maryland & FSU) to try & jump ship immediately in order to avoid paying any of it. Florida State's spokesman actually used the term 'punitive' to describe the number. In court punitive fees are often deemed unenforceable. Seminole leadership might be trying to set up a case where they can get the hell out of dodge ASAP.

Agreed. There's also discussion that the ACC could unevenly split the revenue, just like what they do in the Big XII that caused animosity in that conference and led to teams splitting.

The B1G did right by sticking to its guns, even if it cost us in the end with ND. If you join our conference, you will get an even slice of the pie, which in the situation for almost any school in the country would be greater than where you could get anywhere else. The sum is greater than the individual school, and ND hasn't received that memo yet.

With that in mind, the ACC seems like a great place for potential expansion, with the conference valuing academics the way they do, being in states that the B1G would like to expand to, and the amount of money a school from the ACC would gain by making the switch to the B1G (their TV deal is awful... ask FSU how they feel about it).

 

[Woody1968]

Where the ACC & B1G/CIC schools sit in my composite academic rankings:

2 Chicago
5 TSUN
6 Duke
8 Northwestern
9 Wisconsin
10 North Carolina
12 Illinois
13 Minnesota
14 PSU
16 Ohio State
19 Virginia
20 Pitt
21 Maryland
24 Georgia Tech
27 Purdue
28 Sparty
30 Notre Dame
31 Indiana
32 Iowa
35 Miami
39 Wake Forest
40 VPI
42 NC State
46 Florida St.
48 Boston College
59 Syracuse
62 Clemson
63 Nebraska

What are the criteria you are using?