Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[ulukinatme]

This came out yesterday. Could all be posturing and politics, but UVA claims they haven't received any invitations to another conference, nor are they seeking to leave at this time.

http://www.virginiasports.com/genrel/112712aag.html

 

[Muck]

Personally, I think the P12 should be worried. If the Big 12 solidifies itself with eastern teams, then that could quite possibly leave the P12 with rather low caliber teams to pick from to fill a supposed quota. Berkeley and Stanford may have to accept BYU and their religious affiliation along with taking schools of lower academic standings.

You forget that the Pac 12 doesn't 'need' to pick anyone. They are safe on a geographical island. The only reason eastern conferences are scrambling is because they are competing against one another.

BYU will never be in the Pac, it isn't just Stanford & Cal who are against it. Dealing with years and years of racism from BYU fans & even school representatives has left a very bad taste in their mouth.

The biggest question right now is what will the Pac12 do? There aren't any quality schools left out west and they won't be able to keep up if they stay at 12.

Keep up with what? Where is it said that a conference needs 14 - 16 schools?

 

[jlb1705]

You forget that the Pac 12 doesn't 'need' to pick anyone. They are safe on a geographical island. The only reason eastern conferences are scrambling is because they are competing against one another.

BYU will never be in the Pac, it isn't just Stanford & Cal who are against it. Dealing with years and years of racism from BYU fans & even school representatives has left a very bad taste in their mouth.

That, and they are on good footing demographically. The population is shifting in their direction. Combined with what you said about their relative isolation, they can afford to wait and see which schools grow into Pac-12 caliber rather for reaching for something that that falls outside of what they consider important.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Keep up with what? Where is it said that a conference needs 14 - 16 schools?

Nowhere, you only need 12 for a CCG. However, if the other major conferences are getting more TV money (per team) since they have 16 teams; then to be financially competive the PAC12 may need 16 teams too.

 

[muffler dragon]

You forget that the Pac 12 doesn't 'need' to pick anyone. They are safe on a geographical island. The only reason eastern conferences are scrambling is because they are competing against one another.

I can see that, and maybe I'm just caught up in the shit because of my eastern roots while living in the PNW. However, I do get the feeling some times out here that if you're not in the conversation, then you're getting left behind somehow.

BYU will never be in the Pac, it isn't just Stanford & Cal who are against it. Dealing with years and years of racism from BYU fans & even school representatives has left a very bad taste in their mouth.

Understood, and that's just one of those things that is known but not publicly stated any more out here. It may be that there are so many Mormons in my locale that it's never discussed, but it's definitely silent on the history.

 

[Muck]

That, and they are on good footing demographically. The population is shifting in their direction. Combined with what you said about their relative isolation, they can afford to wait and see which schools grow into Pac-12 caliber rather for reaching for something that that falls outside of what they consider important.

More of an interesting tidbit than anything but the population shifts out west are almost completely seeded by California. These days very few people are moving from E to W. It is almost entirely Californians fleeing to surrounding states (and then trying to ruin them as well lol).

Understood, and that's just one of those things that is known but not publicly stated any more out here. It may be that there are so many Mormons in my locale that it's never discussed, but it's definitely silent on the history.

Mormons also tend to have a somewhat ... flexible ... view of their own history.

 

[Bucknut24]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
Rutgers gets made fun of, Louisville gets praised in realignment. Records last six years: Rutgers 47-28, Louisville 38-35.

 

[IronBuckI]

Nowhere, you only need 12 for a CCG. However, if the other major conferences are getting more TV money (per team) since they have 16 teams; then to be financially competive the PAC12 may need 16 teams too.

Cutting the same pie, or a slightly larger pie, 16 ways isn't going to make them more competitive financially.

 

[Woody1968]

More of an interesting tidbit than anything but the population shifts out west are almost completely seeded by California. These days very few people are moving from E to W. It is almost entirely Californians fleeing to surrounding states (and then trying to ruin them as well lol).



Mormons also tend to have a somewhat ... flexible ... view of their own history.

Californicators!

 

[Mike80]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
Rutgers gets made fun of, Louisville gets praised in realignment. Records last six years: Rutgers 47-28, Louisville 38-35.

The fucking idiots who are making fun of Rutgers and praising Louisville think universities are only there to provide sporting events.

Yes I'm looking at you, espin....

 

[ScriptOhio]

Nowhere, you only need 12 for a CCG. However, if the other major conferences are getting more TV money (per team) since they have 16 teams; then to be financially competive the PAC12 may need 16 teams too.

Cutting the same pie, or a slightly larger pie, 16 ways isn't going to make them more competitive financially.

Isn't the reason that the B1G is going from 12 teams to 14 teams is that each team's piece of the pie (i.e. annual share of the conference's TV revenue) will be significantly larger?

Just sayin': If each B1G team gets $35M and each PAC12 team gets $20M annually from TV revenue there is a competitive imbalance on what the school's athletic department can afford to do (unless the difference is made up elsewhere).

 

[Muck]

Isn't the reason that the B1G is going from 12 teams to 14 teams is that each team's piece of the pie (i.e. annual share of the conference's TV revenue) will be significantly larger?

Just sayin': If each B1G team gets $35M and each PAC12 team gets $20M annually from TV revenue there is a competitive imbalance on what the school's athletic department can afford to do (unless the difference is made up elsewhere).

FWIW the SEC didn't get a significant increase for adding A&M/Missouri.

Oh and MTSU to CUSA!

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

The [censored]ing idiots who are making fun of Rutgers and praising Louisville think universities are only there to provide sporting events.

No doubt. Don't they even realize how the recent movements will improve the Girls of the Big Ten issue?

 

[exhawg]

Keep up with what? Where is it said that a conference needs 14 - 16 schools?

I get what you are saying but it seems like if the B1G, SEC, and 16 of the ACC/B12 are all at 16 the quality of the Pac12 product won't be as good especially if they only have 3-4 good football teams a year. The Pac12 will never go away, but they'll always be stuck as the 3rd best conference. I don't think the money is better with 16 unless they can get a school like Texas, but it would make them competitively better.

Also, you aren't going to have a Pac12/B1G or SEC challenge in bball if you match up the top 12 of the 16 team conferences with all 12 Pac12 teams.

 

[ScriptOhio]

FWIW the SEC didn't get a significant increase for adding A&M/Missouri.

Maybe not yet, but they're working on it:

The SEC is weeks away from restructuring its media rights deal with its current partners, CBS and ESPN, according to several industry sources, and in addition to talks about increasing rights fees, the conversations have also included more talk about a conference channel that could be ready for launch in time for the 2014 football season.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo.../sec-espn-cbs-media-rights-deal-cable-channel