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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Mike80, Jul 26, 2007.

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  1. Boston College

    29 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. Cincinnati

    17 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. Connecticut

    6 vote(s)
    2.1%
  4. Duke

    17 vote(s)
    5.9%
  5. Georgia Tech

    51 vote(s)
    17.6%
  6. Kansas

    44 vote(s)
    15.2%
  7. Maryland

    68 vote(s)
    23.4%
  8. Missouri

    91 vote(s)
    31.4%
  9. North Carolina

    29 vote(s)
    10.0%
  10. Notre Dame

    196 vote(s)
    67.6%
  11. Oklahoma

    74 vote(s)
    25.5%
  12. Pittsburgh

    41 vote(s)
    14.1%
  13. Rutgers

    38 vote(s)
    13.1%
  14. Syracuse

    17 vote(s)
    5.9%
  15. Texas

    120 vote(s)
    41.4%
  16. Vanderbilt

    13 vote(s)
    4.5%
  17. Virginia

    40 vote(s)
    13.8%
  18. Virginia Tech

    58 vote(s)
    20.0%
  19. Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    25 vote(s)
    8.6%
  20. Add some other school(s) not listed

    14 vote(s)
    4.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    BC is of no benefit to the CIC & FSU would be a drain until they got up to speed. Georgia Tech is of course a home run.

    Would GT (plus Maryland & Rutgers) be enough to get them to relent on BC & FSU? I dunno.
     
  2. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    Yes, this would be enough to entice the B1G to forego the AAU membership requirement.

    1. AAU membership is not guaranteed even for current members...just ask Nebraska

    2. While the B1G's strategy for the most recent round of expansion was to gain footholds in major media markets, this round would be to improve the on-field product to levels rivaling the SEC.

    3. I'd rather see BC swapped with Syracuse or UConn....or UVa




     
  3. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    Various B1G presidents were VERY unhappy with the addition of Nebraska due to academics. They are not going to let the academic side be watered down even more (even if it is just perception).

    According to whom?

    Notre Dame isn't about on-field product. Notre Dame is about marketing.
    FSU maybe, but getting into FL would be more important.

    If the B1G were worried about 'rivaling' the SEC they would lower recruiting & entrance standards.

    The only reason BC would be considered is to partner with ND. BC doesn't get you Boston, but combining them with ND does.

    Syracuse & UConn add nothing.
     
  4. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    Uconn compliments the NYC market and is bigger in Boston than BC


    AAU membership is a fleeting thing for many schools. It has been widely speculated that one of the reasons for Nebraska's expulsion was that AAU President is from Texas and wielded his authority in a manner not exemplary of AAU fashion.

    ND improves the BigTen on the field. That is absolutely indisputable.
    FSU does as well.
    GT - so so....like MSU.
    BC - less than MSU...think Purdue.

    I'd rather have UVa than BC...but if that is what it took to get ND then hell yes.

    by the way....there is no friggin' way ND will ever...EVER join the B1G now.


     
  5. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    Again BC doesn't get you Boston, neither does UConn. But ND playing in Boston every other year certainly would and guess which one of those schools ND would prefer?

    Fleeting? Do you know how many schools have ever left the AAU? Four. Of those two left due to a change in focus away from research. One left after being censured by the AAU over academic freedom. The fourth was Nebraska.

    Fleeting is the last word that should be used in regards to AAU membership.

    Did he force TSUN & Wisconsin to vote them out?
    Did he force Pearlman to lose his mind and give an idiotic presentation and alienate the voters?

    How many times over the past 20 years would ND have been above average in the B1G?

    Regardless you missed the point....what leads you to believe that the league's primary goal in the next expansion moves is increasing on the field performance?


    Why do you think they are less likely now than they were 5 years ago?
     
  6. bassbuckeye07

    bassbuckeye07 Junior

    I believe I truely get the CIC and AAU arguments but i'm starting to not give a [Mark May]....I would like to see some good football next
     
  7. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    UC emails reveal ACC dilemma

    The Urban emails.
     
  8. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Staff Member Bookie

    The last time an Ohio State coach got personally involved in conference expansion discussions via email, it turned into kind of a mess. I'm glad Coach Meyer is staying out of it.
     
  9. To put things in perspective, Ohio State's total expenditures on research in 2011 were $832 million. The total athletic revenue was 48.7 million. How much extra revenue would adding FSU really bring in, and would this justify lowing academic standards.


    http://research.osu.edu/osu-research/profile/

    http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/31/ohio-states-football-budget/
     
  10. jwinslow

    jwinslow You know... not... GOOD! Staff Member

    FSU does not fix the B1G reputation. Once they are no longer an officially sponsored conference member, Herbie would suddenly start pointing out how consistently they fail.
     
  11. Buckeye737

    Buckeye737 Sophmore

    I'm sure FSU's speed would immediately come into question as well.
     
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  12. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    Does FSU play in space?
     
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  13. Bleed S & G

    Bleed S & G Taking Crazy Pills

    We're doomed. This post is dead on. :lol:
     
  14. redguard117

    redguard117 Senior

    At the very least, they would add another perennial top 10 recruiting power to the B1G. At the moment it's just us and scUM. They would also provide a pipeline to a demographically thriving area, ripe with blue chip recruits. This might not be too important for us, since we already recruit Florida well, but if a program like Indiana manages to go from recruiting 10 2* and 10 3* recruits every year, to 5 2* and 15 3* recruits, overtime that can really change the talent level and depth of a program.

    It's tough to compete against the SEC when they recruit like

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    and we recruit like

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  15. BUCKYLE

    BUCKYLE Washed

    The thing about adding a FSU type of program is...are there any good sized markets with a good amount od B1G alumni that currently do not carry the BTN on basic? If so, adding FSU could provoke enough casual CFB fans to speak up and bump the BTN up a tier.
     

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