Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[kujirakira]

If we go 16, the other conferences will go 16, and if we make a push for TX and OK, you can bet the SEC will too because they have A&M already.

If we were to get TX and OU, I could see the SEC taking Kansas (for basketball and the border war) and maybe either Kansas State or Oklahoma State. Texas Tech is fucked because they’re in the middle of nowhere, no one wants Iowa State or Baylor (for different reasons), West Virginia would make more sense for the ACC, TCU isn’t really a big time player...which leaves Oklahoma State without bedlam (not much of a target), Kansas State which is meh, and Kansas for basketball.

The PAC is at 12 and has made no secret in adding 4 to be 16... eyeing a package deal for TTech and Texas. TTech is kinda Austin's directional yesman.

Nothing. Adding Maryland (a founding member of the ACC) and Rutgers (ouside of NYC $$$, why?) really made me shake my head.

If expansion is a MUST, then to me it would be Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State. They most closely match what the B1G is.

I realize I am the only person on earth who would want that.

None of those states have anyone worth recruiting. This is again why adding VA and UNC makes more sense.... though there's cultural issues there too.
We're better off staying at 14 than adding any of those Wannabe12 filler schools.

I could actually envision a scenario with 3 16 team leagues, where we got OU and Oklahoma State, the SEC gets Texas and Kansas, the ACC adds West Virginia and Notre Dame, and then the PAC 12 is left to figure out what leftovers they want to add to Colorado and Utah...could be BYU, Boise State, Texas Tech, Baylor, who knows. But the rest are AAC or MW fodder.

Hell no to OkSt... OU is bad enough.
OkSt adds nothing. No markets. No recruits. Shit academics. They're another Iowa at best.
The conference doesnt need more underwhelming shit teams in the West that have to import talent... and especially not ones outside AAU.

 

[kujirakira]

That’s EXACTLY what I thought. Just move Purdue over to be with Indiana which makes sense.

Better yet, can we just merge IU and Purdid? The University systems already have... then we could expand recruiting down to VA too

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Yup, 2 b1g teams, notre dame, clemson, and 4 sec teams.

Hahahaha. So true.

 

[Jaxbuck]

C’mon bro

Live a little, have some fun

Better than bitching about what’s wrong with the defense all goddamn day.

 

[gmen6981]

This is great and all but who would be Penn State's rival?

Common Decency.

 

[Honor&Glory]

an interesting sidebar to this is Nebraska. they lost a big part of their Texas recruiting pipeline when they moved to the B1G. with Texas and OU in a new super sized B1G that would bring their main recruiting base back into the fold and I could see Corn being a major national player again. thoughts @alexhortdog95 ?

of course, Tejas is going to have to jettison the Longhorn Network for this to happen.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

an interesting sidebar to this is Nebraska. they lost a big part of their Texas recruiting pipeline when they moved to the B1G. with Texas and OU in a new super sized B1G that would bring their main recruiting base back into the fold and I could see Corn being a major national player again. thoughts @alexhortdog95 ?

of course, Tejas is going to have to jettison the Longhorn Network for this to happen.

Yes, and ESPN is going to have to let them go. Now, I know that espn loses millions on that network, but do they keep writing the checks to keep UT on the plantation and use that leverage to hopefully steer them towards a conference on the plantation (sec or acc)?

 

[alexhortdog95]

an interesting sidebar to this is Nebraska. they lost a big part of their Texas recruiting pipeline when they moved to the B1G. with Texas and OU in a new super sized B1G that would bring their main recruiting base back into the fold and I could see Corn being a major national player again. thoughts @alexhortdog95 ?

of course, Tejas is going to have to jettison the Longhorn Network for this to happen.

Oklahoma is like the story of the family member that we had a falling out with over simple shit years ago, but still loved them. They get to play, and we need to renew that rivalry that went on for YEARS.

But to help me with the F Texas call....

F Tom Herman.
F Tim Beck.
F Texas.

That about answer that one?

 

[CincyInterloper]

How so anymore than adding Rutgers and Maryland?

I don't hate the idea overall from a football playoff perspective.

The old Big 8 as the new B1G West vs the old Big 2 and Penn State as the B1G east.

What would remain of the current B12 could join up with the AAC or something.

The Big 12 has a much better brand name, so they'd probably cherry pick 2-4 AAC schools. Adding any of Cincy, SMU, Memphis, Temple, Houston, and UConn to the Big 12 leftovers would make for a pretty good basketball conference.

 

[JCOSU86]

OkSt adds nothing. No markets. No recruits. Shit academics. They're another Iowa at best.
The conference doesnt need more underwhelming shit teams in the West that have to import talent... and especially not ones outside AAU.

Not entirely fair. My daughter is a senior and is doing the whole college search thing. Depending on your source, Iowa is above A LOT of schools. US News and World Report has them as a pretty decent school. They are no Cal Berkley, but they aren't like the banjo pickers either. Same with Michigan State. I was surprised.

Edit: The B1G is also a Academic Conference. Nebraska needs to improve, but the rest meet some criteria I don't understand. Calling @ORD_Buckeye

 

[kujirakira]

Not entirely fair. My daughter is a senior and is doing the whole college search thing. Depending on your source, Iowa is above A LOT of schools. US News and World Report has them as a pretty decent school. They are no Cal Berkley, but they aren't like the banjo pickers either. Same with Michigan State. I was surprised.

Edit: The B1G is also a Academic Conference. Nebraska needs to improve, but the rest meet some criteria I don't understand. Calling @ORD_Buckeye

I meant athletically, tv subs, recruiting... they're another Iowa.
Academically, Iowa hands it to them.
But that was my point... OkSt adds nothing.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Not entirely fair. My daughter is a senior and is doing the whole college search thing. Depending on your source, Iowa is above A LOT of schools. US News and World Report has them as a pretty decent school. They are no Cal Berkley, but they aren't like the banjo pickers either. Same with Michigan State. I was surprised.

Edit: The B1G is also a Academic Conference. Nebraska needs to improve, but the rest meet some criteria I don't understand. Calling @ORD_Buckeye

I think most people would group the schools as follows:

Chicago (if you still consider them)

Northwestern

tsun

Ohio State-Illinois-Wisconsin-Minnesota-ped state group

Everyone else except Nebraska group

Nebraska

I'm not sure where Maryland goes. In our group or in the group below us.

As for the proposed B12 schools, Texas would go in our group (sorry shaggy), and all the rest would be on the short bus with Corn.

 

[kujirakira]

I think most people would group the schools as follows:

Chicago (if you still consider them)

Northwestern

tsun

Ohio State-Illinois-Wisconsin-Minnesota-ped state group

Everyone else except Nebraska group

Nebraska

I'm not sure where Maryland goes. In our group or in the group below us.

As for the proposed B12 schools, Texas would go in our group (sorry shaggy), and all the rest would be on the short bus with Corn.

Id put Wis, Ill, Md, and Mi together. Us with Rutgers, Minn, and Voldemort. Everyone else. Corn last.
A few of their schools would be with Indiana group (ISU... uhh... ok maybe just 1)... but we dont need more filler.

My criteria...
1 are they cfb royalty?
2 do they expand conf borders into fertile recruiting ground?
3 do they bring added tv revenue?
4 academics / AAU member?
5 cultural fit?

1 or 2 get your foot in the door and are fairly cut&dry yes/no... either of those automatically implies 3 as well.
4 and 5 are harder to quantify... but, for me, means hard no for the likes of Texas.
It's worth noting ND fails the 1/2 test for me (dont need more presence in IN)... but 4/5 would also be a fail.

 

[zincfinger]

I think most people would group the schools as follows:

Chicago (if you still consider them)

Northwestern

tsun

Ohio State-Illinois-Wisconsin-Minnesota-ped state group

Everyone else except Nebraska group

Nebraska

I'm not sure where Maryland goes. In our group or in the group below us.

As for the proposed B12 schools, Texas would go in our group (sorry shaggy), and all the rest would be on the short bus with Corn.

I'd probably put Maryland there. I would definitely put Purdue and Rutgers in the group of "very good state schools", and probably would rate them higher than Minnesota.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'd probably put Maryland there. I would definitely put Purdue and Rutgers in the group of "very good state schools", and probably would rate them higher than Minnesota.

Purdue's reputation rests solely on engineering. Minnesota is a much stronger university overall. I'd put Crab Cake in our group and Rutgers in the one below us with Purdue, Sparty. Iowa and IU.

The MUP report is a solid snapshot of the depth and breadth of a university's quality undergraduate, grad, faculty, research and financial resources. And it clearly shows that we (and Minny) are easily equal to Wiscy and Illinois. Unfortunately, it also shows that tsun is clearly the top public and pretty much in it's own grouping.

mup.umass.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2015-top-american-research-universities-annual-report.pdf