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Big Ten Conference Divisions

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Muck;2330402; said:
Except that with all the realistic targets also being on the east coast the primary imbalance that Bucky is referring to (access to major media markets & recruiting grounds) is going to actually get worse. It also means that eventually Ohio State is not going to be in the B1G Ten, instead they'll be a western outpost of the Big East/ACC.

We're looking at a potential future division of:
Ohio State
TSUN
Sparty
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Virginia
Georgia Tech
FSU/BC/whoever



Amen.



You'll take your plains ghetto and you'll like it.
This is your punishment for hiring Bro Bielema.
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I don't believe they'll stick to east/west once expansion is complete.
 
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jwinslow;2330424; said:
Penn state should be a powerhouse. Instead they were reduced to mediocrity in most years. Worse than their spotty performance on the field since joining the league is their embarrassing recruiting. No matter how bad Pitt is they consistently beat PSU for recruits. Even in their brief return to glory in the mid 00s, pa was not their home territory. Maryland was, because down there, the turtles didn't undercut the nits like Pitt does in pa.
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Probably because JoePa was a middling coach and an average recruiter at best, whose reign should've ended right after those national championships in the 80's. BOB showed that he could recruit before the sanctions were imposed. Keeping Brenneman and Hackenberg was a coup. They will suffer during the sanction years, but I'm sure that if PSU manages to retain BOB during the sanction years, he'll turn them into a powerhouse.
 
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jwinslow;2330424; said:
This is a 2 team conference, plus or minus one given the year. The majority of this league lacks the tradition, the recruiting talent and the commitment to spending on coaches to compete nationally.


When rich rod moved Morgantown to AA, Sparty should have become a VA Tech level program. Instead they were a flash in the pan and just like the early years when Zook and other second tier programs around the country stole their recruits, now they are letting Kentucky do it again.


Penn state should be a powerhouse. Instead they were reduced to mediocrity in most years. Worse than their spotty performance on the field since joining the league is their embarrassing recruiting. No matter how bad Pitt is they consistently beat PSU for recruits. Even in their brief return to glory in the mid 00s, pa was not their home territory. Maryland was, because down there, the turtles didn't undercut the nits like Pitt does in pa.


The big ten should be better but they simply aren't and I see little evidence to suggest that will be changing.


Stop ruining the few good things you have going in some convoluted plan to protect fairness. The league has /Ade it crystal clear that they are either unable or unwilling to compete on the big stage.


OSU and Michigan in opposite divisions makes no sen#e unless you are the 1% of Midwestern fans who think Sparty should be Michigan's primary rival and must win game each season.
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I went back and read this post over again... since I want the B1G to be relevant on the national stage again. I am wondering what the problem is when trying to compete nationally. Is it just the money they are willing to pay their coaches? Or is there something worse in the culture of the decision makers in the B1G that you haven't elaborated in your post?
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2330448; said:
Fuck rematches...it cheapens The Game.
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I don't like rematches either, but there just isn't a good alternative.

Fortunately the Big 8/12/10/11 won't last long enough, but the fact will remain that having Okie and Texas in the same division means a CCG with a weak sister - holding in Jerry Jones House doesn't help matters.

Play 12 games, go to an 8 team playoff and get rid of the CCGs.
 
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cincibuck;2330479; said:
I don't like rematches either, but there just isn't a good alternative.
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It's a lot flipping better than having Sparty be Michigan's must win game every season.
Fortunately the Big 8/12/10/11 won't last long enough, but the fact will remain that having Okie and Texas in the same division means a CCG with a weak sister - holding in Jerry Jones House doesn't help matters.
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How did that Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry work out when they split them up? To shreds, you say?
 
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jwinslow;2330422; said:
In no world is MSU capable of representing the conference well. Wisconsin had their chance three years in a row, in circumstances they won't see again for another decade or more, and failed each time, twice in embarrassing fashion.

Nebraska has been given easy divisions for years now and remained a fringe team at best.
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I have to disagree with you on this one. Sparty is CAPABLE of giving a lot of teams trouble (mainly due to their defense), see the Georgia game as an example. Will they be ever be elite? Probably not, but they have the facilities and the recipe to put together some nice seasons and depending on the matchup represent the B1G well.

I mean lets be honest right now no one other than OSU can hold up to Alabama or LSU. If MSU got paired up with anyone else in the SEC though they may not win but atleast it wouldn't be embarressing.
 
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bukIpower;2330494; said:
I have to disagree with you on this one. Sparty is CAPABLE of giving a lot of teams trouble (mainly due to their defense), see the Georgia game as an example. Will they be ever be elite? Probably not, but they have the facilities and the recipe to put together some nice seasons and depending on the matchup represent the B1G well.

I mean lets be honest right now no one other than OSU can hold up to Alabama or LSU. If MSU got paired up with anyone else in the SEC though they may not win but atleast it wouldn't be embarressing.
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Sparty is, and has always been Sparty. Yes, they can rise up once every 40 years but then they go back to being Sparty. JWins is right. There are only 2 elite teams in this conference. Perhaps PSU and Nebraska could change that, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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matcar;2330498; said:
Sparty is, and has always been Sparty. Yes, they can rise up once every 40 years but then they go back to being Sparty. JWins is right. There are only 2 elite teams in this conference. Perhaps PSU and Nebraska could change that, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I agree that there is only 2 elite teams I'm not disputing that and you'll see that if you read my last post. I'm just saying that MSU isn't an easy win and as long as they aren't lined up against Alabama can give most SEC teams all they want because of their normally pretty stellar defense.

Sparty is slowly starting to be more consistent. They won't have many 10+ win seasons but they're solid and can put up a good game.
 
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bukIpower;2330507; said:
I agree that there is only 2 elite teams I'm not disputing that and you'll see that if you read my last post. I'm just saying that MSU isn't an easy win and as long as they aren't lined up against Alabama can give most SEC teams all they want because of their normally pretty stellar defense.

Sparty is slowly starting to be more consistent. They won't have many 10+ win seasons but they're solid and can put up a good game.
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Fine, lets not sully the finality of The Game because some other teams on the margin are occasionally strong.
 
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jwinslow;2330481; said:
How did that Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry work out when they split them up? To shreds, you say?
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That rivalry stopped working when the Big 8 swallowed the SWC. The Big 8 conference suffer(ed)(s) The same problem the Big 10 suffer(ed)(s) - two giants and the eight dwarfs.

The Big 10 may do many things in expansion, but getting rid of The Game won't be one of them. TV isn't putting out big bucks for the right to cover Illinois - Northwestern or the Paul Bunyan's Axe game.
 
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cincibuck;2330526; said:
The Big 10 may do many things in expansion, but getting rid of The Game won't be one of them.
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Which is exactly why they finally did the smart thing and put them back in the same division.

As Jwins and many others have pointed out, the B1G is a 2 team conference. Splitting those 2 up increases the odds of them facing each other in the CCG exponentially.

That just doesn't work for The Game.
 
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