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Buckeye Offensive Line - 2004 (official thread)

CleveBucks said:
I have a sneaking suspicion that Bollman is the heart of the problem. This OL absolutely collapsed more times than not. Meanwhile teams like Iowa and Minnesota are turning unheralded recruits into all-conference OL's. Did anybody see Minny's young center Eslinger completely dominate scUM last year? They ran for 400 something yards.
I have had that same suspicion too clevebucks. Last year, I got fed up with what seemed like every damn running play involving a lineman pulling. It seemed that the few times there was simple man on man straight ahead smash mouth blocking the backs got decent yardage. I know that this falls into some play calling issues, but Bollman is involved with that as well.
 
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Bollman

I know it is not old news to a lot of you that I do think Bollman is a big part of the problem, and I am giving him this year, before I start an all out ranting campaign to drum up suport to get him Fired.

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Lets be honest, he came from the Bears, and that is certainly not one of the best NFL lines I have ever seen. He has taken an offensive line and seen it regress over the past three seasons (the same three seasons he was a coach)

Were the players as talented as we thought, no probably not, but the technique was horrible (standing straight up and down and playing patty cake dance partner, instead of firing out to knock the snot out of someone), they were for the most part out of shape (motivational problem), the schemes did not take advantage of our strengths until the K-State game (which was better). I mean would you have AClarke pulling trying to lead a sweep for L Ross, or MoHall? C'mon! And none of the players, baring Step, who was injured and had an excuse for most of the season, had developed a meanstreak of nastyness that you need to be a good, let alone great offensive line.

So yes I think Bollman is big part of the problem, but lets see how he does with his own recruits.
 
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The thing that pisses me off is reading Adrien Clarke dropping weight for the NFL Draft when all of last offseason all I read about was Clarke, Olivea, and Bishop losing weight. They didn't lose any weight. I did not see any weight lost at all compared to 2002. Olivea was still pulling up his pants every play, Clarke looked like a sloth when pulling, and Bishop even got worse.
 
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No one besides the coaching staff and Schafer have any idea how much he currently weighs. I have stated this time and time again..if we don't out hit the guy across from us it doesn't matter. We need nasty, quick and technically sound guys to play on the line. I don't care if we don't have a 330 pound tackle...we don't need it with the speed we have at running back. Even if these guys screen a DL or push them back a little....we should have enough speed at TB to cut through a hole and and run to day light. Pass blocking is a different stroy but we have the horses. The question is whether or not they can be coached to do the job!
 
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the loss of ivan douglas hurt badly last year......

sims, douglas, step, clarke and olivea seemed to have no problem providing running room for MOC......one of my contentions is that the entire planning for the 04 season was based on MOC being the back....it wasnt, literally, until days before the season began that it became apparent that MOC was not going to be around....

ross, hall and the oline were left trying to salvage what they could from this situation...this all resulted in a gameplan that didnt "fit" the personnel....as herbie said...."once you get to the season...there is no time to make drastic changes in your team...what you have is what you have....however; between the last game and the bowl....changes can be made".....i think we saw that this year...

at least thats my positive spin on it....
 
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I have already stated my intent to withold judgement a bit longer, but to balance Di's optimism -

My biggest disappointment with the Offense came in JTs first season. The O was mediocre at best and ranked below average in most offensive categories in the Big Ten - including a 40% 3rd down conversion ratio.

Yet that team had six offensive starters drafted into the NFL. When you put six starters off your offense into the NFL you ought to have a pretty good O. But it was JTs first year, and Tyson Walter was a cancer, and Belisari was QB, and ......
 
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The Offensive Line

I just believe that we have talent all over the place that won't be properly utilized unless we have time to throw and holes to run through. I believe the offensive line will be more important to our success this year, than any other in a long time with us breaking in a new quarterback surrounded by so many weapons. Just think... Santonio is breaking out, Bam is due and Roy has something too prove (Superman and Gonzales are in the wings). Lydell, Maurice and Brandon Joe may be the best returning tandem outside of USC's backs, but if you throw in Haw who could potentially be used the way USC uses Bush, we are just as good if not better. I think our realistic hopes for big time success this year will come from how well we grade out on the O-line. But hey, we're not coaches... just the best damned fans in the land!
 
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None the RBs you mention will be the starting RB come mid-season. So no we don't have talented RBs. I agree with you point though about a young qb. I've heard however the Zwick has a pretty quick release, so hopefully that will help our line.
 
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I think that we are going to see more of Brandon Joe in a single back set than we are counting on. I also think that the freshmen (Haw and Pittman) are going to get a ton of reps. This could be good or bad, we'll have to wait and see.


The O line is obviously going to be short on experience, but I feel that the "new breed" of offensive linemen at OSU is going to pay huge dividends. Duane has gone on record as saying that if Person isn't starting, then the line is going to be a lot better than I thought." Person is talking about LOSING weight coming into camp. Athletic, QUICK O linemen is starting to look like the trend in Columbus. It has worked year in and year out for the Denver Broncos.

Doug Datish is said to be making huge strides at center. He could bump Mangold over to guard in order to get the five best on the field. Sims and Barton at the tackles, Mangold and Person at the guards, and Datish at center wouldn't surprise me at all come the middle of October.
 
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KillerNut said:
None the RBs you mention will be the starting RB come mid-season. So no we don't have talented RBs. I agree with you point though about a young qb. I've heard however the Zwick has a pretty quick release, so hopefully that will help our line.
Not to be argumentative but I'm talking about the backs collectively. If you count Brandon Joe as an occassional big tailback then we have a runner for every situation - a lot like USC. I think we should give Lydell and Maurice a break. We now know Hall was playing with two bad knees all year and Ross was more than adequate when finally healthy down the stretch. If you throw in the extra gear that Haw and Pittman bring - we have the best backs in the Big Ten (even if Dwayne Smith doesn't go to jail).
 
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ysubuck said:
I think that we are going to see more of Brandon Joe in a single back set than we are counting on. I also think that the freshmen (Haw and Pittman) are going to get a ton of reps. This could be good or bad, we'll have to wait and see.


The O line is obviously going to be short on experience, but I feel that the "new breed" of offensive linemen at OSU is going to pay huge dividends. Duane has gone on record as saying that if Person isn't starting, then the line is going to be a lot better than I thought." Person is talking about LOSING weight coming into camp. Athletic, QUICK O linemen is starting to look like the trend in Columbus. It has worked year in and year out for the Denver Broncos.

Doug Datish is said to be making huge strides at center. He could bump Mangold over to guard in order to get the five best on the field. Sims and Barton at the tackles, Mangold and Person at the guards, and Datish at center wouldn't surprise me at all come the middle of October.
I'm lovin' your scenario!
 
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I am not going to sit here and make excuses for the play of the Oline but we also need to look at the play calling. There have been numerous time in which I will be listening to the game on the radio, while at son's soccer games, and watching on TV and hear the situation and think. "Oh great here comes the XYZ play" just in time to hear or see "XYZ and stopped for a no gain, or a loss". The offense has become way to predictable. Hopefully that will be fixed with the 2 different QB's we have. There is no question about it though this team/season, is going to have to depend on the Oline stepping up.
 
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I agree with the posters above that feel that Bollman is part of the PROBLEM, and not the solution. The OL and offense have underachieved the last three years. Bollman is the OL coach and O Coordinator(even though JT calls the plays, Bollman HAS to have input)

I was rewatching the San Diego St game again a couple nights ago(I guess I like to torture myself) and I came to a point in the game where the Bucks had a 4th and 1.(roughly 10:30 left in the 2nd qtr) Well, Bollman has Adrian Clarke pull, Lydell Ross runs at the hole where Adrian Clarke was, and the DT in the hole where AC was-hits LR in the backfield for a loss because no one blocks him. I just kind of laughed to myself and wondered what the hell Bollman had to say during film study the Sunday after the game about this play and blocking assignments.
 
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NIce Dispatch read on the OL

The article below is from today's Cbus Dispatch.

The part I liked best is the quote from Fraser implying that this OL has better footwork and more athleticism. That is what I have been trying to convince myself of, but I kept coming back to the question "If they are so good, why didn't they get more PT?". Bollman addresses that issue witha a statement that you don't often play until your third year unless their is a strong need. I guess there was just enough need for Mangold and Sims (plus the fact that the Senior OL we had probably dictated the type of blocking schemes we used).

I feel much more optimistic having read this. Let's see, we are moving to more one back sets (with an apparent focus on speed backs rather than power backs), more mobility on the OL, more speed at receiver and more receivers on the field, a QB with QB skills..... Might we finish in the top half of the Big Ten in offense for the first time in JTs tenure?

Another point I found interesting. Bollman says this is the MOST OL he has had in Spring practice ANYWHERE he has coached. Last year folks were screaming that we needed to land at least 5 or 6 OL minimum. As it is, only one of the four we did get will be here in the spring - still giving Bollman what he considers big numbers. We graduate exactly one scholarship OL this year, so (barring the unforseen) we will have two more OL next spring than we do now. Factor in the early commit from Alex Boone and I think the OL recruiting crisis is over for a while. (Where is Computerbuck when you need him.)


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Plenty of linemen, but little experience

For those worried about whether Ohio State will produce an outstanding offensive line this fall, keep in mind, there’s strength in numbers.

For those who aren’t worried, remember, numbers don’t always tell the tale.

Consider these numbers: When spring practice begins this afternoon, offensive coordinator Jim Bollman will have a front-line roster that is at least three-deep at every position except the two-man center spot. Among them will be juniors-to-be Nick Mangold at center and Rob Sims at left tackle, returning starters who have played extensively the past two years.

Add some aspiring walk-ons "and that’s the most I have ever had anywhere I’ve coached for spring practice," Bollman said.

But take Sims and Mangold out of the equation and you’re left with this: The 12 others listed on the depth chart combined for 85 minutes of action last year. And 48 of those minutes were logged by former walk-on Mike Kne, now listed as first string at right guard. Kne and third-string right tackle John McLaughlin are the only seniors-to-be.

"On the offensive line, if you really play a lot around here before your third year, you’ve really got to be exceptional or we’ve got to have a real need for you to be in there to help us," Bollman said.

Here’s a litmus test: It wasn’t as if last year’s front, replete with seniors Alex Stepanovich, Shane Olivea, Adrien Clarke and Bryce Bishop, shoved defenses around at will, either. Or did it just appear that way because of the injury problems at running back?

What the returning players and coaches know is this promises to be a new era for the line, one way or the other. Those four outgoing seniors were the remains of the previous coaching staff’s recruiting efforts.

Coach Jim Tressel and Bollman long ago switched the emphasis to speed and agility over size. Not that they won’t take a big fellow — there is 6-foot-8, 320-pound freshman tackle Steve Rehring, who graduated early from high school so he could get a head start this spring. Word has it he has quick feet.

But Bollman now has the type of players he wanted. That’s the indication Kne gave when asked what should be different about the line play this season compared to the last couple of years.

"I think we’re a little more athletic, and I’m excited about maybe running outside more, and opening it up and getting down the field, getting to the safeties and making bigger plays," Kne said.

The difference is apparent from the other side of the ball, said senior defensive end Simon Fraser, the lone returning starter to the defensive front.

"A lot of those guys have great footwork," Fraser said of the young offensive linemen. "That’s not saying the other guys didn’t, but that’s going to open up a lot of doors for us.

"On the offensive line, you’ve got to be athletic, you’ve got to have power and you’ve got to have some agility and speed. And I think all of these guys fighting for spots now have that, and that’s going to be huge."

Spring is all about getting a front that includes sophomore first-stringers Tim Schafer at right tackle and Doug Datish at left guard firing out as one.

"It’s knowing your assignments," Kne said. "Everybody has been in there watching film together all through the winter and learning the plays together. It’s about taking mental reps when we’re not taking real reps."

Tressel has been pleased by what he has seen from them.

"The areas where I have comfort are in the quality, and the athleticism, and what I see as their capability," Tressel said. "I also am very comfortable with the attitude I see from that offensive line group. . . . There seems to be a real good chemistry amongst that group.

"Now, the unknown is what I’m not comfortable with."

Which is, will the group meld into a hole-blasting, pass-protecting unit?

"But again, that’s why we’re practicing," Tressel said.
 
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