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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
^^^THIS^^^
Anyone in their right mind would say to carry 35 lbs less weight up and down the court would be a huge improvement in your overall energy level and stamina. Don't think so? Then grab a 35 lb barbell and start running wind sprints and get back to me. This also doesn't even address what it says about a players dedication and discipline to lose the weight. Anyone who has lost 35 lbs will tell you it isn't easy. So to dismiss this as something not worth getting excited about is kind of funny.
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Should help with explosion to the rim. Weight loss and box jumps. Already has the hands and skill. Looking forward to Kaleb's 2nd season.
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OSU_Buckguy
Head Coach
seriously. i'm sorry, but that was such an absurd benchmark to set for kaleb... if not for most players. running 2 miles in under 12 minutes? really? a very good time for any post player for just one mile would be about 5:30. add another mile? yeah, sub-12:00 isn't happening. basketball conditioning ain't cross country conditioning.
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wigmon
Heisman
Maybe, maybe not which is the exact point I was trying to make. I don't care what his weight number is (you can be 270 and look like a fat slob or a chiseled man). What I care about is whether he has become more explosive, quicker and better stamina. Now, one can certainly make an assumption that those three things have improved with the training that has led to his drop in weight. My question is, how much and at what cost? He's a traditional center and is never going to be able to guard someone who is more of a stretch 4 than a center. He just isn't. What he did do last year is use his size to get position down low and his width to hold off defenders. Will he be able to do those same things being 30 pounds lighter?
So my point is understanding that he's giving up something that was an advantage last year and until you see/know how much quicker and more explosive he is we won't know what kind of net gain it is for his game. I mean Shaq could have been quicker had he dropped some weight, but it would have also taken away one of his major advantages which was his power and size. IF Kaleb is only marginally quicker and can only jump a little bit higher, is it really worth the weight cut?
Kaleb is never going to be able to guard stretch 4's and there will be some lineups where he is just a defensive liability. I mean Potter is much thinner and a bit quicker laterally, better leaper and he only played 2 minutes against SDSU. Young is much more athletic than Kaleb will ever be and he didn't play at all. IT wsa just a matchup (physically and stylistically) that dictated us playing a more perimeter oriented lineup.
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wigmon
Heisman
I thought it was apparent that it was an arbitrary number, not some sort of benchmark for all centers. A mile is nothing to run (I would assume every player on the team except for centers can run a sub 5 minute mile), but is an arbitrary number along with time to complete to show how good ones conditioning is. The point is if he could run 2 miles in X minutes last year, telling me he can run 2 miles in 10% less than X this year is much more important than telling me he lost 30 pounds.
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OSU_Buckguy
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what in the hell are you smoking? whatever it is, pass some this way. in bp's whole history, this might be a top 5 most absurd assumption.
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In case anyone would like the opinion of actual runners:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3219327&page=1
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3219327&page=1
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OSU_Buckguy
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Arizona basketball: Jackson-Cartwright wins Wildcats' annual mile run
this article was published just before last season. sean miller's 9th season. and, yet... 5:17 was the second-fastest mile time in almost a decade at a big-time program.
so, again, this assumption that non-centers run or should run sub-5:00 miles is just a teensy bit off. as i stated before, basketball conditioning ain't at all cross country conditioning and cross country conditioning ain't at all basketball conditioning.
this article was published just before last season. sean miller's 9th season. and, yet... 5:17 was the second-fastest mile time in almost a decade at a big-time program.
so, again, this assumption that non-centers run or should run sub-5:00 miles is just a teensy bit off. as i stated before, basketball conditioning ain't at all cross country conditioning and cross country conditioning ain't at all basketball conditioning.
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OSU_Buckguy
Head Coach
to beat a dead horse before this discussion is split...
link (from sooners' message board before '09 season)
link (from sooners' message board before '09 season)
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Basketball off-season getting as absurd as the football off-season. We’re back!
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wigmon
Heisman
Maybe athletes aren't what I thought they were today. 30 years ago as a walk on at a small college baseball team, we were required to be able to run a 6 minute mile to make the team (an exception was made for a large catcher who could hit the snot out of the ball). I was slow, tall and gangly and trained about 3 days a week with distance running (never had trained for distance running in my life) and in 2 months I could run a 5;30 mile. I wasn't close to being a d1 level athlete, so I made an assumption that these guys who are much better athletes, were much better trained than I was.
again, the number is arbitrary and the point was that knowing he had measurably better stamina, explosion and quickness means more than the number of pounds he lost.
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