Cavs 2010-11 season (official thread)

[kn1f3party]

Resist the temptation to try to improve by spending cap money. Sign cheap turds, let the young players take their lumps, and get in the lottery for next year. If trades are made, get trade exceptions or draft picks in return, if possible.

On the fence with this one. I could swallow it, but Cavs fans will want some kind of instant gratification after all of this.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Really? You want to keep Delonte? Seems to me he has more baggage than a 767 flight to Indochina, which is the last thing we need right now when trying torebuild the squad. I'd trade him and 3 rows of his blow for a 2nd and a case of Turtle Wax. But that's just me, I guess. I'm not overly impressed with Mo either, but I honestly think he has more upside than West for next season.

True, he has a ton of baggage, but Mo arguably gives you less as a player (or as much?) for 2x the price... hell, get rid of them both. The Cavs no longer have to walk on eggshells around the concept of team chemistry (which dissolved anyway, despite the best laid plans... ) and can just start blowing things up to get rid of crap contracts (if possible) and bring in fresh faces.

 

[Bucklion]

[quote='BusNative;172945;1]True, he has a ton of baggage, but Mo arguably gives you less as a player (or as much?) for 2x the price... hell, get rid of them both. The Cavs no longer have to walk on eggshells around the concept of team chemistry (which dissolved anyway, despite the best laid plans... ) and can just start blowing things up to get rid of crap contracts (if possible) and bring in fresh faces.[/quote]

I'm all for blowing up contracts and generating massive cap space if the players involved aren't going to give us much. West, I'm not sure about Mo, it's hard to tell what he can do without, uh, the Miami Maggot without seeing it first. It's entirely possible that if the Cavs are going to win eventually, none of the pieces are in place yet, or very few are...so if we can create some options, let's do it.

 

[jlb1705]

On the fence with this one. I could swallow it, but Cavs fans will want some kind of instant gratification after all of this.

There is a middle ground here. Go dumpster diving. Try to find a good deal or two on the market. It's OK to spend some of the money, but there's no need to spend all of it. Don't sign anybody long-term. I agree there's a desire to go out there and seek revenge or vindication for the folks that remain on board, but I'd also like to see the Cavs try to gain some of the financial and player personnel flexibility that they were not afforded over the last three years.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

NBA free agents in 2010 and 2011 - ESPN

this link includes a list of 2011 ufa/rfa

some interesting but smaller names. headlined by melo who will likely stay or head to the knickerbockers.

 

[exhawg]

I would go with what they have and try to unload guys like Mo and Jamison at the deadline. With the current roster I see the Cavs winning around 40 games, which wouldn't get them a very good pick. Sadly they might be better off tanking and getting a top 5 draft pick next year. If Miami would be willing to sign and trade for Lebron with the first round pick that they just got from the Twolves I'd take it. The Cavs need to pick up 2-3 top 5 picks over the next 2 years if they are going to rebuild from the bottom up.
I do think they can try to rebuild on the fly, but that is going to take a lot more money with less margin for error than blowing it up. I'd rather blow it up than go on a slow decline like the Nets and Wizards did when things started to go bad. They need to get good young players and cap space to entice FA's in a couple years. On the bright side the cap and max deals will likely go down, which is going to kill maxed out teams like the Heat since they will be way over the cap in a couple years with no ability to add players.
The only players that the Cavs need to hold onto right now is JJ and the rights to Eyenga. Anyone else can be had for the right price, although that price would be very high for a guy like Andy.

I don't follow college hoops a whole lot. What are the draft classes going to look like for the next couple years?

 

[PlanetFrnd]

What I do like is an owner with a chip on his shoulder and the willingness to spend money. I literally think Danny could do just about anything right now...

 

[Brutus1]

On the fence with this one. I could swallow it, but Cavs fans will want some kind of instant gratification after all of this.

Their instant gratification came froom the Dan Gilbert letter. On the floor, it's only young players (draft or bring in) for the next few years.

Sign Engeya (sp), pair him with Hickson to see if they can play. They're both young enough to develop and still help the team down the road when they're a better squad.

At this point, the only players I want brought in are 24 and younger, unless they have a short contract. The goal of making the playoffs is useless.

 

[exhawg]

Their instant gratification came froom the Dan Gilbert letter. On the floor, it's only young players (draft or bring in) for the next few years.

Sign Engeya (sp), pair him with Hickson to see if they can play. They're both young enough to develop and still help the team down the road when they're a better squad.

At this point, the only players I want brought in are 24 and younger, unless they have a short contract. The goal of making the playoffs is useless.

I agree there is no point of just trying to make the playoffs. Better to retool for 2 years down the line than get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round the next 5 seasons.

 

[MUBuck]

The Cavs need to pick up 2-3 top 5 picks over the next 2 years if they are going to rebuild from the bottom up.

This...

[quote='BusNative;172946;7]What I do like is an owner with a chip on his shoulder and the willingness to spend money. I literally think Danny could do just about anything right now...[/quote]

..and this.

I honestly have no idea how the team will play without having the ball withheld from them for 23 seconds out of the shot clock. We certainly lack "star power," but I can see a team with 4-5 guys averaging around 15 ppg (assuming Delonte stays). It would be refreshing to see a balanced, up-tempo game while sticking with our tough-nosed defensive approach.

 

[jlb1705]

The Seattle Mariners won 116 games in 2001 after losing A-Rod to free agency in the offseason. Just sayin'... :tongue2:

 

[kn1f3party]

Like the idea of trying to rebuild around JJ and Eyenga if it can work. Who knows, Paul is up in 2012 and if we can get the pieces in place he may be our best FA option in the next couple of years under Byron Scott?

 

[exhawg]

Like the idea of trying to rebuild around JJ and Eyenga if it can work. Who knows, Paul is up in 2012 and if we can get the pieces in place he may be our best FA option in the next couple of years under Byron Scott?

They have a good relationship, which is important. I guess it all depends if we have the option to draft a Coach Cal PG :p
If they think they have a shot at Paul it would be best to build a team that a PG would want to play for.

 

[jlb1705]

Like the idea of trying to rebuild around JJ and Eyenga if it can work. Who knows, Paul is up in 2012 and if we can get the pieces in place he may be our best FA option in the next couple of years under Byron Scott?

Paul might be able to be had earlier under the right circumstances. The Hornets have a pretty good PG behind him (Collison) and if Cleveland pulls in a trade exception in a sign-and-trade, the Hornets might find that more attractive than dealing him for somebody like Jamison or Williams.

Having Byron Scott as coach certainly doesn't hurt in that respect. On the other hand, Paul is a good friend of James. I don't buy into a widespread effect of Dan Gilbert's open letter from last night, but if there's anybody out there that I feel might reasonably take exception to it, it would be Chris Paul.

 

[jlb1705]

Windhorst:

FYI, a trade exception #Cavs would potentially get in a sign-and-trade is basically worthless because they are under the salary cap. 10 minutes ago via web

I made a comment in the other thread about how byzantine the NBA's rules are compared to other pro sports, and this is another example. I feel that I follow this stuff fairly closely and am probably in the 75th percentile or better when it comes to knowledge of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, and I had no idea about this.

It's getting to the point where I won't feel dirty in the least for rooting for the owners in the next round of negotiations. It's clear that under the current structure the average fan has no idea why most moves are made or not made in this league.