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exhawg

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This article shows what the Cavs are most likely looking at this off season. What moves would you all like to see the Cavs make, and what do you think they will actually do? I need to think about my opinion for a while before I post anything.

Pointing out a few things to GM Ferry

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[size=-1]By Terry Pluto[/size]
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<!-- begin body-content --> CLEVELAND - No Cavaliers general manager has come to the job with as much in his favor as Danny Ferry. That's because no Cavaliers GM had a legitimate superstar such as LeBron James to serve as a magnet for free agents.

Nor has any Cavaliers GM had $28 million to spend under the salary cap on a team that has come within a game of the playoffs in each of the past two seasons.

So let's give Ferry a seven-point plan to success:

1. SIGN ZYDRUNAS ILGAUSKAS: Put down a four-year, $42 million offer. Give the 7-foot-3 center some love, because he has not felt much lately. That's especially true because there were rumors that owner Dan Gilbert was not a big fan of the All-Star center.

Lately, Gilbert has been more upbeat about Ilgauskas. He should make Ilgauskas feel wanted, even if they decide against signing him. The Cavaliers might want to use him as part of a sign-and-trade deal with a center-hungry team such as the Dallas Mavericks. So keep the lines of communication open.

2. ILGAUSKAS IS GOOD ENOUGH: It's easy to dwell on his weaknesses, just as was the case with another Cavaliers finesse center named Brad Daugherty. Then Daugherty was out with a back injury, and suddenly the 20 points and 10 rebounds that he averaged during his five All-Star seasons looked great in the rearview mirror.

Is Ilgauskas good enough to help a team advance in the playoffs? Can he complement James? Does he like Cleveland?

Yes -- and James likes playing with him.

3. WHO'S BETTER? That's the real question with Ilgauskas. Where will they find a replacement? Some fans have mentioned Samuel Dalembert, but he's a restricted free agent and the Philadelphia 76ers are likely to match any offer he receives.

Ilgauskas not only averaged more points (17 to eight) than Dalembert, he averaged more rebounds (8.6 to 7.5). Ilgauskas is slow defensively, and he can be foul prone.

Part of the problem was the horrible defense from the guards -- and, sometimes, James. Guys just drove to the basket untouched, and when he tried to defend the rim, Ilgauskas committed awkward fouls.

4. Z & THE SHOOTING GUARD: The Cavaliers need a shooting guard who can do just that -- shoot.

Word is Michael Redd will be glad to sign with the Cavaliers for something very close to the maximum contract. He's from Columbus and Ohio State. He has been lost in the basketball wilderness that is the Milwaukee Bucks. His ego is such that he'd be content to play next to James.

But if the Cavaliers want to maximize the value of an outside threat like Redd, then Ilgauskas can help. He scores enough inside, requiring defenses to double-team him near the basket, which should create open outside shots for Redd and others.

5. LOOK HARD AT LARRY HUGHES: There are four premier free-agent shooting guards. Ray Allen heads the list, but he's expected to stay with the Seattle SuperSonics. He also is the least likely of the four to mesh with James.

I love Joe Johnson, who averaged 19 points and shot better than 50 percent from the field and 3-point range in the playoffs. But he's a restricted free agent, meaning the Phoenix Suns can match any offer he receives. It's hard to imagine them letting him go.

I prefer Hughes to Redd, because Hughes is a much better ballhandler, rebounder and defender. He also scored 22 points a game for the Washington Wizards, along with 6.3 rebounds and 4.7 assists. He'd bring some grit to a very soft team.

Redd is a superior outside shooter, and certainly, there is no reason to mourn if the Cavaliers come out of free agency with Redd.

6. CHANGE AT POWER FORWARD: Little has been said about this, but the Cavaliers need to find a power forward whose primary focus is rebounding and blocking shots. Drew Gooden puts up solid rebounding numbers, but he sees himself as an offensive player, and he also really struggled with team defense. He's not a very physical player.

Why not see if Anderson Varejao can start and tell him just to rebound, block shots and hustle -- forget scoring. Then bring Gooden off the bench where his scoring can be more of an asset while some of the starters rest.

It also was a mistake not to pick up Tractor Traylor's $1.8 million option for next season. He's a backup, but a strong one who brings some physical presence.

7. HELP AT POINT GUARD: The great thing about $28 million in cap room is Ferry might be able to sign Ilgauskas and a star shooting guard, yet keep shopping for a solid point guard.

There's lots of talk about Bowling Green product Antonio Daniels, who had a solid year as a backup with Seattle -- 11.2 points, 4.1 assists, 44 percent shooting. He's also an above-average defender.

That's a key.

Jeff McInnis was an embarrassment on defense. Eric Snow is above average but struggled to score. A combination of Snow and another solid point guard should fix the problem -- especially since James can start the offense from his small-forward spot.

If the Cavaliers have a real shooting guard along with Ilgauskas and James, the point guard doesn't have to be a big scorer. But he better pass and defend.
 
Well-- Thing is... I agree with most of that...

Z has said he wants a 3 year deal... for lack of a better option, give it to him... why not? But they need to start hinking about replcing him the minute they sign him.

SG- Well... Redd seems to make the most sense... so if not Hughes them him... I think with Z back.. this will be the biggest difference in the team... Redd is more than just a perimeter player and will show that outside of Milwaukee playing with the Cavs (or whoever) with more inside scoring ability.

PF- I don't disagree with Pluto... but this is more in the Head Coaches Dept than GM... Varejo... Gooden... paly the guy who can help you the most based on the rest of the team... if it turns out to be Hughes at SG... rebounding might become less of an issue...

Not sure about Daniels... but... they need something.... if you get Redd... then, you probably need a PG who can (other than defend and pass) penetrate... then you have all sorts of problems at the perimeter if you're the other team.
 
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Not a Cavs expert by any means but,

All is moot since LeBron will leave for greener pastures (ala Shaq leaving Orlando). I seriously don't see him staying with Cleveland of all cities when he could go to NY, LA and become bigger than life. I know as much as you won't want to admit it, it is logical and Cleveland is not a PR mecca. Be thankful he is at least from Ohio - some hope.

Don't see you getting Redd since he will re-up with the Bucks. He will put up even better #'s now that they have their big man at center and MORE importantly, TJ Ford is coming back from spinal injury. I'd say he could probably add 3 pts a game next year.

I like Ilgauskas and was hoping the Bucks would go after him, but obviously we don't need him now. Why is he not liked(?) in Cleveland? Or is that too strong of a word? You know how hard it is to find a center in this league that is even decent? Bucks have tried for 20 years. lol.

The guy likes Hughes but I'm still not sold. I don't like his shooting percentages..is on his 3rd team.... dunno. Had a nice year last year.

I still have NO idea why Ferry traded Jiri to the Bucks for a 2nd next year. Next years draft is supposed to be crap and Jiri will be a decent bench guy. We still have another 2nd rounder that I would trade to Cleveland for a can of Chunky's soup. Next year the senior/junior class is supposed to be down compared with NO kids coming in... bad year to have picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of teams trying to dump those next year picks.
 
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BuckStocksHere said:
I still have NO idea why Ferry traded Jiri to the Bucks for a 2nd next year. Next years draft is supposed to be crap and Jiri will be a decent bench guy. We still have another 2nd rounder that I would trade to Cleveland for a can of Chunky's soup. Next year the senior/junior class is supposed to be down compared with NO kids coming in... bad year to have picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of teams trying to dump those next year picks.
Ferry traded that pick to Orlando for "Little Z" (7'2" 19 year old) that Orlando picked in the 2nd round this year. He'll probably be in the NBADL for a couple years but is the hopeful replacement for Z when he is done. The Cavs had good luck trading the Magic for a rookie 2nd round C/PF (Wild Thing) last year.
 
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Ok here's the way I see it.
-Cavs need to bring back Z as long as he gives them the hometown discount. They won't find a better center anywhere else. He likes playing with Lebron and Lebron likes playing with him. They already got Martynas Andriuskevicius to hopefully play center when Z is finished. Put "Little Z" in the NBADL for a year or 2 to develop and get him around "Big Z" as much as they can to be mentored.
-I like what Pluto said about Wild Thing and Gooden. AV is all defense and hustle. Right now they will have a 3 man rotation with those two and Z. I wish they had picked up the option on Traylor, but this way AV will get more PT.
-The Cavs already have Pavlovic and Jackson at SG so it almost seems to me that getting a good PG is more important than another SG. Both of those guys can knock now open 3's. Pav and Jackson can also play SF so one of them would be the backup for Lebron as well. Newble started at SG last year and is still on the team for a defensive bench guy.
-Either way they need at least 1 superstar guard and another good role player whose abilities compliment the other.
-Defense is key for the guards because that is where they were hurt the most last year.
-Lebron needs to rest more, which should happen if Jackson is healthy and lives up to his hype.
-The Cavs also need to find a strong big body to get some minutes at center and be physical. Diop could have been that if he had a clue how to play the game. Jerome Moiso didn't look too bad as a bench big man when he was with the Cavs last year.
-They only have 8 guys on the roster now so they have some players to add.

 
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exhawg said:
Ferry traded that pick to Orlando for "Little Z" (7'2" 19 year old) that Orlando picked in the 2nd round this year. QUOTE]

Actually the Cavs traded their 2nd rounder next year for that guy, not the one they got from Milwaukee... I guess they figured the Bucks would suck badly next year so they would have a lower 2nd rounder.
 
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aurorabuckeye13 said:
exhawg said:
Ferry traded that pick to Orlando for "Little Z" (7'2" 19 year old) that Orlando picked in the 2nd round this year. QUOTE]

Actually the Cavs traded their 2nd rounder next year for that guy, not the one they got from Milwaukee... I guess they figured the Bucks would suck badly next year so they would have a lower 2nd rounder.
fortunately, that won't happen.:)
 
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First of all, Buckstops, what you are saying would make sense only if the world got flipped upside down shook up like one of those little snow-things. You know what I'm talking about. The snow things. There's no way LeBron would go to LA to play with a guy like Kobe, nor is there anyway that Kobe would be able to play with LeBron without getting a hysterectomy and some testosterone shots, that little bitch. If LeBron goes to LA, he's gonna play for he clippers, and that's so ridiculous, I can't even comment. LeBron to NY is just as unlikely. Isiah is running that team into the ground, and they're gonna need the guys they drafted this year to seriously pan out for them to be competetive. There's no way LeBron leaves cleveland for New York when the knicks are in the damn cellar for the next couple years while the cavs are in the playoffs.

The only place LeBron might leave cleveland for is Brooklyn, and even then, the only way that would happen is if the cavs were still in neutral in 3 years and the Nets were putting it together. So spare me the LeBron is going to LA (WTF? I just laughed aloud again, just thinking of LeBron and Kobe playing together) or the Knicks. It makes no sense at all. Go watch some more sportscenter.

Anyway, on to the real topic of the thread
I agree with Pluto on a most of the stuff he wrote ...

1. Resign Z
They definately need to try to make this happen. Last season, down the stretch when Z was out with that broken finger or whatever, the cavs looked disgusting. Lebron was trying to do it all himself and the defenses were totally collapsing on him any time he got within 10ft of the basket. With Z and LeBron the cavs can spread the floor, and other guys can get open looks when the double teams go to Z in the post. This is where a great shooter like Redd would be great to have. BUT, if the cavs can't re-sign Z, look for Redd to have hands in his face everytime he chucks it.

The current dynamic of the cavs being one shooter away from the playoffs goes out the window with Z gone. They'll have to run a totally different offense ... who knows, M Brown could come up with something that fits his personell great, but keeping Z as an offensive presence in the low post makes spreading the floor alot easier. The problem is, he's one of the better centers in the east, and the best FA center available this summer, so some team is going to give him a huge (prob $10 mill +, easy) contract offer and he's either gonna have to take less to play here, or the cavs are going to have to blow a huge chunk of their $30 mill cap space to pay him $12 mill or more. I haven't decided if I think Z's worth it or not. If they don't get Z back, their front court is REALLY gonna need some help, so I tend to think he's worth it. Ferry also has to be wary of not doing something that handcuffs the cavs cap wise down the road, so hopefully he doesn't give Z a deal longer 3 yrs or so, cause I doubt he's got more than that left in his feet.

Which brings me to my main off-season concern: Ferry taking all this cap space and giving excessive contracts to guys that aren't worth it, thereby handcuffing the team down the road. now THAT would be ironic.

I like Redd and Hughes, they would both look great in a cavs uniform. Either one would be fine. No matter what though, they're going to need to bring in a PG. If they go with Hughes, they'll need a PG can that consistantly hit the outside shot. If they go with Redd, pretty much anyone better than McInnis will be fine. I like the idea of bringing Antonio Daniels back to Cleveland.

Dealing Jiri Welsch was more of a move to give the cavs even more cap room this summer ... now it's up to around $30 million or so.

$30 million dollars, and holes at PG, SG, C, and Frontcourt Bench Depth ... is it enough?
 
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WestEnd said:
You know what I'm talking about.
No, no I have no idea what you are talking about.

Hope before reality. You think LeBron is staying in Cleveland? Pass some of that - cause it must be the chronic you are smoking. You better enjoy him while you have him. There might be one place less desireable than Cleveland and that is Utah. Of course you can't see that through all the smoke in your roach clip...

He has what 2 years left on his contract? You really think he won't test free agency and go where HE wants to go? You really think he won't be pushed by the big ad companies to go to a high profile city?

There are more reasons why he would leave than there are him staying. To think otherwise is naive. Could he stay? sure. Will he... talk to me in a couple years... I think Cleveland is going nowhere fast..they imploded last year. They have two years to WOW him but he is already running the show like most high priced star players do. It's probably worse for this franchise because without LeBron they have nothing. They HAVE to keep him. It's not like LA or some nice warm city where they can stay all year. They have the same problem Milwaukee, Minnesota, Utah, etc. have.

He IS that franchise. They can give him an additional year than someone and a few more bucks, I just don't see him staying. Then they will be in the boat of everyone else...having to overpay crappy players to come play for them. Not a good situation.


From rumors at InsideHoops:


"The Cavs were believed to be close to a deal last weekend with Jiri Welsch going to the Phoenix Suns for Jake Voskuhl and the Suns' first-round draft pick, No. 21. But that was put on hold after Ferry's hiring." Chicago Tribune


"One of the ironies of the Cavs' hiring of Ferry to replace Jim Paxson was that Ferry, according to insiders, was brutal on the Cavs in his initial interview, saying new ownership was ruining the franchise. Eventually they seemed to agree, and now the Cavs are saying they'd like to retain Zydrunas Ilgauskas, one of Ferry's priorities." Chicago Tribune


Suns were actually thinking about giving you back your first you paid to get him. LOL. We got him for a second.. nice.

Maybe your owner has some actual intelligence to be able to take some criticism and adjust. Bodes well.

Looks like Z will stay if that is true.
 
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BuckStocksHere said:
Hope before reality. You think LeBron is staying in Cleveland? Pass some of that - cause it must be the chronic you are smoking. You better enjoy him while you have him. There might be one place less desireable than Cleveland and that is Utah. Of course you can't see that through all the smoke in your roach clip...

He has what 2 years left on his contract? You really think he won't test free agency and go where HE wants to go? You really think he won't be pushed by the big ad companies to go to a high profile city?

Talk about smokin'...your lungs must be crystalline black from all the crack you've been suckin' down. You don't think the Cavaliers will give him whatever he wants to stay in Cleveland? They'll beat what anyone else offers. As for ad companies wanting him to go to a "high profile city"...have you seen all the TV commercials he's already in, despite being at Cleveland? His being a Cavalier hasn't hurt his marketability one iota.

Michael Jordan didn't bolt from Chicago after his initial contract was over (and it took the Bulls several years after Jordan's arrival to become serious contenders), so James will tough it out until the Cavs become perennial playoff residents.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You don't think the Cavaliers will give him whatever he wants to stay in Cleveland? They'll beat what anyone else offers. As for ad companies wanting him to go to a "high profile city"...have you seen all the TV commercials he's already in, despite being at Cleveland? His being a Cavalier hasn't hurt his marketability one iota.

Michael Jordan didn't bolt from Chicago after his initial contract was over (and it took the Bulls several years after Jordan's arrival to become serious contenders), so James will tough it out until the Cavs become perennial playoff residents.
Cleveland does NOT equal Chicago. smoke em if you got em.

How do you become a perennial playoff resident in two years?! good luck with that.

James has the marketability like Jordan and Kobe(pre banging not his wife), Shaq, etc.. so he could live in Alaska and still get his. It may not hurt him at this point, but it could only be better elsewhere...

And yes they will give him whatever he wants..it won't be enough. Like I said, he can get one more year on his contract and a few more bucks. Won't really matter to him. He'll get max deals wherever he chooses.

Simple question - what would you do? Choose Cleveland or _______ (any other city) I don't care if I grew up IN Cleveland... I'd be off to Phoenix, or LA or Orlando, Miami...etc..
 
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BuckStocksHere said:
Cleveland does NOT equal Chicago. smoke em if you got em.

How do you become a perennial playoff resident in two years?! good luck with that.

BeenSmokinHash, Chicago was as bad pre-Jordan as Cleveland was pre-James. The season before they got James, Cleveland was 17-65. In James' rookie year, they improved to 35-47, and they finished 42-40 last year...with a little help they could reach 50 wins in 2005-2006, which should get them into the playoffs. If James gets a good supporting cast around him, they could easily become a playoff fixture. I'm not saying they'll become a Bulls-like dynasty but rather become a team that's at least in the playoffs every year.
 
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smoker- lebrons cousin and uncle work at the same place I do.I've been to his house with his cousin and he will not go anywhere unless the new owner gilbert really screws things up bad. LEBRON TOLD HIM THAT and by the way, he really is a great guy and what he is doing in akron is a class act. Not to many pro athletes do stuff like that or we never hear about them doing it but, he remembers what part of akron where he came from and he's really trying to help those that need it. He is challenging the real estate people here in the akron area big time
 
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The contract money will be the same in Cleveland, NY, LA or any other NBA market. Endorsements will be the same. Championships are built on teams and not one person. Cleveland has just as great a chance to build that team here as Miami, especially with $30 million to spend. There is one X factor in this whole discussion: What drives LeBron off the court?

LeBron has already shown a desire to give back to kids and his community. Spending money previously to spruce up some much needed courts in Akron, a bike ride through Akron over this past weekend, and more.

I truly believe his decision will be what type of impact he wishes to have on the world: Being one of the highest paid basketball players in a huge market or someone who has left a legacy and made a difference greater than how big is his piggy bank.

LeBron strikes me as someone who is extremely mature and is making decisions for more than just himself. I also think he knows his life's goals and I hope the Cavs can help make some of them come true.
 
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BuckStocksHere said:
. It's not like LA or some nice warm city where they can stay all year. They have the same problem Milwaukee, Minnesota, Utah, etc. have.

UH, NO THEY DON'T, HE'S FROM HERE, NOT MILWAUKEE, MINN OR UTAH...BIG DIFFERENCE. STOP BITING ON THE JIM ROME HOOK, LEBRONS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

He IS that franchise. They can give him an additional year than someone and a few more bucks, I just don't see him staying. Then they will be in the boat of everyone else...having to overpay crappy players to come play for them. Not a good situation.

I BELIEVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FRANCHISE HAS ALSO BEEN MENTIONED.


From rumors at InsideHoops:


"The Cavs were believed to be close to a deal last weekend with Jiri Welsch going to the Phoenix Suns for Jake Voskuhl and the Suns' first-round draft pick, No. 21. But that was put on hold after Ferry's hiring." Chicago Tribune


"One of the ironies of the Cavs' hiring of Ferry to replace Jim Paxson was that Ferry, according to insiders, was brutal on the Cavs in his initial interview, saying new ownership was ruining the franchise. Eventually they seemed to agree, and now the Cavs are saying they'd like to retain Zydrunas Ilgauskas, one of Ferry's priorities." Chicago Tribune


Suns were actually thinking about giving you back your first you paid to get him. LOL. We got him for a second.. nice.


YOU GOT HIM FOR A 2ND BECAUSE WE GET MORE CAP ROOM BY NOT TAKING ON VOSKUHL'S CONTRACT. THAT AND THE FACT THAT YOUR 2ND NEXT YEAR WILL ONLY BE A FEW PICS AFTER PHOENIX'S FIRST.

Looks like Z will stay if that is true.

JUST ENJOY THE 8PTS 6 BOARDS YOU'LL BE GETTING FROM BO-GUT.
 
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