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CBS Preseason Top-25 (Big 10 #2,6,9)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by jwinslow, Mar 2, 2005.

  1. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8245608

    Dennis Dodd is still a queer (see writeup about APR). How exactly would the NCAA investigations prevent you from ranking a team higher? That would hardly be held against you as an analyst...

    Iowa is remarkably overrated IMO... they're downright scary to me as a buck fan but #2? No way... more like #8 or lower (8 sounds good since that's their final ranking for 3 straight years).

     
  2. Bullshit. Oh yea, Iowa is just way to tough to overcome in the Shoe. Uh huh.
     
  3. CleveBucks

    CleveBucks Serenity now Staff Member

    on iowa:

    "The defensive line needs to be remade, but how hard can that be?"

    I think we saw that last year. Harder than he thinks.
     
  4. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Gosh I really can't stand Dennis Dodd. What a huge tool. He has so much good analysis in this writeup that you won't see elsewhere (as in ripping apart VY, etc), but he then follows it up with ridiculous comments like this

    First of all, wasn't Iowa's top10 recruiting finish (they weren't top10 in at least one of the big2 recruiting sites) a surprise? And where the heck does he get off calling it another top10 recruiting class? Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but this isn't a consistent recruitier or Kirk would not be praised for developing lesser talent.

    Amen to the insult to the DL overlook. That's like saying, we have to replace our entire OL, how hard can that be? Does this guy realize that the lower classes in previous years are the ones that are gonna be filling the void left by the DL? Probably not, as he believes that they land top10 recruiting classes often.
     
  5. BrutusBobcat

    BrutusBobcat Icon and Entertainer

    We want Texas, Iowa and scUM to be ranked as high as possible when we play. This is perfect. IF this reflected the coaches' poll going in, we'd be in great shape. The computers obviously rate based on everyone's results, not a pre-season opinion, so it's kind of irrelevant for that portion of the equation.

    BTW, I think the AP being out of this year's BCS mix is going to be in our favor. Writers like Dodd might knock us for "the NCAA cloud", but the coaches are less likely to, and the computers can't. The computers WILL love a strong Iowa, Texas and scUM in our W column, though, presuming we can win all three.

    Of course, we still don't know what the BCS formula will look like in total this year -- last year they announced the final tweaks in July. I would expect a similar time frame this year.
     
  6. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Definitely... cuz Iowa and scUM shouldn't lose too many games before their bowl game despite losing to us. I love the fact that Iowa's getting hyped, and I think they deserve most of it, just not a #2 spot. But put all three of our big opponents up there. There's no way we don't get the #2 spot (I would argue we deserve the #1 spot until USC plays someone) if we emerge undefeated next december.

    Good point about the AP, which will be biased about the NCAA (which is absurd)... vs the coaches which you pointed out. Overall great points Brutus... have some green.
     
  7. martinss01

    martinss01 blissfully stupid



    there are no words for the blatant ignorance displayed here... my iq dropped 3 points just reading that sentence.

    but like everyone else has said, the higher our opponents are ranked the more we control our destiney. *shrug* rank em #1 for all i care.
     
  8. Buckeye513

    Buckeye513 Stable Genius

    #2 and #4 coming to The 'Shoe. Interesting.

    I think Iowa is the only team really standing in our way of a Big Ten title and a Rose Bowl appearance. In my mind, Texas, especially Vince Young, is extremely overrated. They're losing their All-American runningback, All-American linebacker, and best tight end. Which leaves Vince Young who can't throw a football to save his life, a group of half-ass receivers, and an unproven RB leading the Longhorn offense. Sure, they have an above average defense, but I don't think their defense alone can carry them. And people still consider them to be a NC contender? I'm refusing to buy into their hype.

    And then we have Michigan. I'd rather not get into their problems.


    Just my $0.02.
     
  9. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    If it weren't The Game, I would not be concerned about scUM one bit. Thankfully despite the history of the series, this is Tressel not Cooper. Also, we have a 12th man in Hermann, their DC. And regardless of which QB is starting for us, we will probably have actually developed a 4th WR threat in Hall, Lyons, O'Neal?, etc.

    Iowa poses the biggest threat for sure. A lot of returning talent and Drew Tate will play in the NFL (and I don't mean just get drafted, maybe not a star but at least a guy who gets a shot for a few games like a Krenzel). Thankfully we have Ginn/Gonzo not only as threats but in replacement of the ineffective Bam/Roy, plus our OL actually knows how to block (and no completely retooled DL from average recruits will be effective that early in the season).

    Texas has no passing game. Zip. Their own guys will admit their WRs are average at best (no Patrick Turner either to turn this trend around). They've been a run-first offense for years, I don't think that's gonna chance overnight. Their main RB threat is not gonna be at school all spring, and perhaps not again (tho it seems he'll return). Even with Benson (who can gain yards on 8 men in the box), an average OU defense was able to shut them out. I think Auburn's DC will make a serious impact, but there's no way they'll be able to stop the buckeye offensive weapons right away. Anyone know whether Auburn's DC brings any ST focus to the team? Cuz on top of everything else, we may have at least 3 return TDs (kick and punts) by the way I saw Texas play like a high school coverage team.
     
  10. OH10

    OH10 *

    I think it's way to early for a team with our schedule to worry about preseason rankings. This isn't an Auburn-like situation. If we finish undefeated, we're in. Our schedule is that tough. We have to beat Iowa, Texas, Michigan, an underrated Penn State team on the road, and Minnesota on the road. If we win all of those games, the BCS will take care of itself - but we gotta win each one of those games first. While we may be the most talented team on the field for each game, you still gotta pull out the W.
     
  11. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    If we start out in the top 10 and go undefeated, I'll bet my membership to this site that we play in the national title game.
     
  12. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    i have said this several times now regarding this subject to various folks and outside of some michigan fans nobody believes it to be true, so i'll try it here.

    regarding iowa:

    their biggest hurdle isnt going to be replacing roth or babineaux. it is this.

    in 2002 they came out of nowhere and had a great run. in 2003 folks didnt thinkthey could repeat that and they did. in 2004 after the big names left, nobody thought they had a chance, especially after ASU waxed them. they were underdogs.

    now that has changed. i would think that any osu or michigan fan would know that being a target while sitting on top is a far different ballgame than being the underdog.
     
  13. Bucktastic

    Bucktastic Troy Smith for HEISMAN

    First off, Dennis Dodd=MORON. Secondly, I hope this is the poll to start off the season....We'll be punking three teams out of the top 10...
     
  14. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    ditto
     
  15. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    Anyone else out there remember when Playboy (I only read it because of the articles) rated Iowa #1 and they proceeded to have a perfect season? Yep, went 0h for the season. I want to say that Chuck Long was the QB and that Playboy picked him to be the Heisman winner and Forrest Evasheski as Coach of the Year. That may be the all time worst pick by any set of forcasters. At leaset the girl in the middle of the mag was cute.
     

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