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Game Thread CFP Semifinal: Ohio State vs. Clemson, Sat 12/31 @ 7p ET, ESPN

Discussion in '2016 Football Season Capsule' started by MD Buckeye, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    We laugh at other fan websites when a meltdown occurs. I love football and I love Ohio State but, WTF, this is a game. Not criticizing anyone but I have the email box full of whining like everyone else. Perspective. We're not in here with a heavy hand moderating but please folks, a little self-moderation goes a long way. If you saw Meyer's face after the game and heard what he said about being disappointed on offense, you know heads are going to roll.
     
  2. SEREbuckeye

    SEREbuckeye "The bag or the bat, Bob?"

    You must not remember the series of:

    2013 Big Ten Championship: 24-34
    2013 Orange Bowl: 35-40
    2014 Va Tech (in Columbus): 21-35

    Tom Herman would have been fired September 7,2014 if the fans had their way.
     
  3. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    And you must not have read the parts of my post where I said "regular season games" in reference to 2013, and specified "aside from the first two games getting JT's feet wet" for 2014.
     
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  4. OSUK

    OSUK Sometimes lucid, mostly confused

    I hope Urban isn't scouring message boards looking for tips. On the other hand, he doesn't have to. His comments post-game indicate he saw what we saw: basically offense that is inexcusable and intolerable. What is to be done about it is his call.
     
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  5. Nicknam4

    Nicknam4 Pootis

    The difference with Tom Herman is that the offense progressed and learned from its mistakes.

    This offense has been the same shit all season. Can't do anything but QB runs up the middle.
     
  6. SEREbuckeye

    SEREbuckeye "The bag or the bat, Bob?"

    I'm pretty sure you stopped reading my original post after the first 2 paragraphs....
     
  7. SEREbuckeye

    SEREbuckeye "The bag or the bat, Bob?"

    So only regular season games are to be the judgement of a coaches success and failures?
     
  8. OSUK

    OSUK Sometimes lucid, mostly confused

    A good ways into the first half my son texted me, "Where is Mike Weber?" The Bucks had just run a play. I replied, "There he is out there in the flat catching another pass for -4 yards. Lol."

    Not good when your offense is providing immediate and continuous comedic fodder.
     
  9. redguard117

    redguard117 Senior

    Herman had his flaws - no one is without them, and simply biting our tongues and pretending they're not there is not a strategy that fosters excellence or national titles. Regardless, who exactly was calling for Herman to be fired in 2014? Every coach has one or two bad games for which they can rightly be criticized, but I can't remember anyone saying he should be fired.

    On the contrary, I do remember everyone repeatedly and consistently complaining about how terrible the defense was and how Withers was holding us back. If Withers had been fired at the end of 2012, i argue we would actually have another national title as we matched up well against Notre Dame.
     
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  10. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye That boy good

    So how does one prove worthy? Who deems them worthy? I have to achieve what that other person has?


    I'll make sure to keep an eye out if you have an opinion in the poli board then. Wouldn't want to not have consistency in the argument here.
     
  11. SEREbuckeye

    SEREbuckeye "The bag or the bat, Bob?"

    Plenty of fans were calling for Hermans head. He lost 3 out 4 games. 2 of those games were trophy games and the third being at home.

    I'm not sure why you are twisting Herman into a comparison with Beck. I think you may have jumped into this mid-conversation. I'm simply laughing at our fire/bench happy fanbase (as I stated originally). Thankfully Urban has the patience to work things through and evaluate properly.
     
  12. OregonBuckeye

    OregonBuckeye Semper Fi Buckeyes

    The "fire-happy fanbase" isn't unique to us. It's everywhere in sports. Shit, even many Bama fans have called for Kiffin to be fired.
     
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  13. redguard117

    redguard117 Senior

    Honestly, I've never been a big fan of Herman, but that probably stems from me not being a fan of the Urban offense in general - "QB run for 4 yards, QB draw for 5 yard loss, bubble screen for 5 yard gain". I can definitely remember large stretches throughout Urban's first season where the offense looked completely lost out there, but turned it on to score 3 times in quick succession, and then did nothing else for the rest of the game. The "Braxton, do something" offense, if you will.

    I also find it ironic that our greatest success (the 2014 playoff run) came when we ran a more traditional offense with a big, strong-armed QB and leaned on our ground game.

    Regardless of my displeasure with the offense, I feel like most fans rightly attributed the 2013 losses to MSU and Clemson on Withers and the terrible 10 yard cushion we gave every opposing receiver. And despite my initial reservations about Herman, he was at least willing to adjust and learn from his mistakes. I guess my memory differs from yours.

    Fair enough.
     
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  14. Bucknut24

    Bucknut24 Trolololol

    I still have diarrhea from this game
     
  15. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Reach down between my legs...

    Ha ha okay you do that. Feel free to have all the opinions you want. As far as I find, they are free.

    It's sort of like someone in the game thread was saying his sister, an ND fan no less, was giving him shit about the game. So, the Buckeyes beat ND into submission last year and ND is sitting home this year. But hey, talk all the shit you want.

    Maybe for me, it's years, including the Cooper years, of living in Western Michigan. I tend to find that put up or shut up works well.
     

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