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CFP Title Game, Alabama vs tOSU, Jan 11, 8:15 ET on ESPN, Miami

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Hahahaha... no.

He’s playing. They’d have to tie him up in a basement somewhere to keep him away from this one. Even then, he’d make it behind center by the 2nd possession.

Yeah, mebbe they could kidnap him and keep him in the basement, like Brooklyn did to Flint Rhem.
Alleged Kidnapping by Brooklyn Dodger Fans
The hurler was at the center of one of the most bizarre stories in baseball history

Andrew Martin

Dec 3, 2020 · 5 min read

Right-handed pitcher Charles “Flint” Rhem looked like a blossoming star early in his career, winning a National League-leading 20 games for the St. Louis Cardinals in 1926 at the age of 25. Unfortunately, a fondness of drink rendered that season the highpoint of a 12-year big-league career of largely unfulfilled promise. Instead of tapping into what might have been Hall of Fame potential, he is instead perhaps best remembered for his claim of being kidnapped by Brooklyn Dodgers’ fans to prevent him taking the mound in the thick of a pennant race.

A native of South Carolina, Rhem reached the big leagues in 1924 with the Cardinals when he was 23, having balanced the previous few years of baseball with studying engineering at Clemson University. It was a double life necessitated by parental pressure, as the hurler later explained, “I’d have to sneak off and play baseball when I was a kid… My parents thought only cutthroats and roughnecks played baseball. Maybe they were right.”

Although Rhem rapidly became an emerging star, with his rising stock came problems with drinking. It didn’t help that he roomed with star pitcher Grover Alexander, another alcoholic. He hit the bottle hard, even having one incident where he fell asleep in the bullpen during a game after a night of partying. When he came to, his teammates had covered his eyes with tape and he had a brief moment of terror where he believed he had gone blind.

Over the years, his addiction severely hampered his career, including spending time in the minors and a total of three stints with St. Louis.

In 1930, Rhem was 29 and had a relatively disappointing season with the National League pennant-winning Cardinals. Despite a 12–8 record, he had a 4.45 ERA and threw just 139.2 innings in 26 games (19 starts). He also gave up 173 hits and lasted just 3.1 innings (giving up seven hits and six runs) in his lone start in that year’s World Series that was claimed by the Philadelphia Athletics in six games.

What is remembered most from his 1930 season was his claim in September that he had been kidnapped and forced to get drunk. In the waning days of the season, he had been on a hot streak, winning his past five starts, including the last four by complete game. With fellow pitcher Wild Bill Hallahan unavailable after catching his finger in a taxi door, manager Gabby Street decided on the 16th to move Rhem’s turn in the rotation up a day to try to catch lightning in a bottle in the rubber game of a three-game series against the Dodgers..

According to SABR’s Nancy Snell Griffith, the Atlanta Constitution reported the details in a wire service story published on September 19, 1930:

“Rhem, who through his diamond career has never been celebrated as an ardent prohibitionist, failed to appear at the Cardinals’ local headquarters on Monday night. Last night, however, he returned and faced ‘Gabby’ Street, the manager. ‘Yes?’ said Street coldly. ‘Yes,’ mumbled Rhem. ‘Bandits. Guns. Kidnapping. They made me drink the awful stuff.’” Rhem’s claim was that two thugs had kidnapped him and taken him to a remote roadhouse. They were armed and forced him to drink a large quantity of hard liquor. “‘And I am sorry to say that I got drunk. Imagine that happening to me! Of all people, me!… I was helpless, always in fear of my life.’”

The story quickly evolved into two men (assumed to be Brooklyn fans) taking Rhem to a house in New Jersey to keep him out of the series. Dan Daniel of the New York Telegram quoted the pitcher:

“I am ashamed to say that I got drunk. Imagine me getting drunk! I pleaded with the bandits not to make me drink hard liquor, which you know I abhor, but they would not listen to me. I was in their power. I drank and drank — always at the point of a gun, always threatened. It was horrible.”

Despite the unavailability of Rhem, the Cardinals beat the Dodgers behind a 10-inning complete game by Hallahan, who gamely competed with the injured digit. After three more St. Louis wins, Rhem finally went out on the 20th and tossed a complete game to help the Cardinals win yet again.

The kidnapping story quickly spread on a national level. The National League briefly considered investigating, but St. Louis general manager Branch Rickey convinced them the story was hogwash. The pitcher later admitted to being drunk but claimed he never left his hotel the night in questions and that his manager had made up the kidnapping details in order to tell a good story. Regardless of its veracity, the “abduction” became synonymous with Rhem from that point forward.

Later, Rhem’s son and only child Sonny explained, “He had an alcohol problem. It would come and go, come and go. He struggled with alcohol his entire life. That was his weakness.”

In his 12 seasons in the majors spent with the Cardinals, Boston Braves and Philadelphia Phillies, he finished 105–97 with a 4.20 ERA. He pitched in four World Series (winning two and losing two) but was ineffective, going a combined 0–1 with a 6.10 ERA in four appearances (two starts).

Later in life, Rhem’s version of the kidnapping story evolved. He claimed that on the night in question, he hadn’t been drinking at all but was felled with a bout of food poisoning from a bad steak dinner. He elaborated:

“Mr. Rickey came by my room… Outside in the hall there were a few sportswriters… Mr. Rickey said, ‘You look like somebody kidnapped you’ and I responded, ‘call it what you like.’ Now that’s all I said so help me.”

The legend of the kidnapping is simultaneously humorous and extremely sad. Rhem had moments of great achievement throughout his career but also likely left a lot on the table given his ability and the obstacles presented by his addiction. His legacy should be greater than an absurd story, but nearly a century later it appears he will be measured more by the sum of his faults than his achievements.
 
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Yeah, mebbe they could kidnap him and keep him in the basement, like Brooklyn did to Flint Rhem.
Alleged Kidnapping by Brooklyn Dodger Fans
The hurler was at the center of one of the most bizarre stories in baseball history

Andrew Martin

Dec 3, 2020 · 5 min read

Right-handed pitcher Charles “Flint” Rhem looked like a blossoming star early in his career, winning a National League-leading 20 games for the St. Louis Cardinals in 1926 at the age of 25. Unfortunately, a fondness of drink rendered that season the highpoint of a 12-year big-league career of largely unfulfilled promise. Instead of tapping into what might have been Hall of Fame potential, he is instead perhaps best remembered for his claim of being kidnapped by Brooklyn Dodgers’ fans to prevent him taking the mound in the thick of a pennant race.

A native of South Carolina, Rhem reached the big leagues in 1924 with the Cardinals when he was 23, having balanced the previous few years of baseball with studying engineering at Clemson University. It was a double life necessitated by parental pressure, as the hurler later explained, “I’d have to sneak off and play baseball when I was a kid… My parents thought only cutthroats and roughnecks played baseball. Maybe they were right.”

Although Rhem rapidly became an emerging star, with his rising stock came problems with drinking. It didn’t help that he roomed with star pitcher Grover Alexander, another alcoholic. He hit the bottle hard, even having one incident where he fell asleep in the bullpen during a game after a night of partying. When he came to, his teammates had covered his eyes with tape and he had a brief moment of terror where he believed he had gone blind.

Over the years, his addiction severely hampered his career, including spending time in the minors and a total of three stints with St. Louis.

In 1930, Rhem was 29 and had a relatively disappointing season with the National League pennant-winning Cardinals. Despite a 12–8 record, he had a 4.45 ERA and threw just 139.2 innings in 26 games (19 starts). He also gave up 173 hits and lasted just 3.1 innings (giving up seven hits and six runs) in his lone start in that year’s World Series that was claimed by the Philadelphia Athletics in six games.

What is remembered most from his 1930 season was his claim in September that he had been kidnapped and forced to get drunk. In the waning days of the season, he had been on a hot streak, winning his past five starts, including the last four by complete game. With fellow pitcher Wild Bill Hallahan unavailable after catching his finger in a taxi door, manager Gabby Street decided on the 16th to move Rhem’s turn in the rotation up a day to try to catch lightning in a bottle in the rubber game of a three-game series against the Dodgers..

According to SABR’s Nancy Snell Griffith, the Atlanta Constitution reported the details in a wire service story published on September 19, 1930:

“Rhem, who through his diamond career has never been celebrated as an ardent prohibitionist, failed to appear at the Cardinals’ local headquarters on Monday night. Last night, however, he returned and faced ‘Gabby’ Street, the manager. ‘Yes?’ said Street coldly. ‘Yes,’ mumbled Rhem. ‘Bandits. Guns. Kidnapping. They made me drink the awful stuff.’” Rhem’s claim was that two thugs had kidnapped him and taken him to a remote roadhouse. They were armed and forced him to drink a large quantity of hard liquor. “‘And I am sorry to say that I got drunk. Imagine that happening to me! Of all people, me!… I was helpless, always in fear of my life.’”

The story quickly evolved into two men (assumed to be Brooklyn fans) taking Rhem to a house in New Jersey to keep him out of the series. Dan Daniel of the New York Telegram quoted the pitcher:

“I am ashamed to say that I got drunk. Imagine me getting drunk! I pleaded with the bandits not to make me drink hard liquor, which you know I abhor, but they would not listen to me. I was in their power. I drank and drank — always at the point of a gun, always threatened. It was horrible.”

Despite the unavailability of Rhem, the Cardinals beat the Dodgers behind a 10-inning complete game by Hallahan, who gamely competed with the injured digit. After three more St. Louis wins, Rhem finally went out on the 20th and tossed a complete game to help the Cardinals win yet again.

The kidnapping story quickly spread on a national level. The National League briefly considered investigating, but St. Louis general manager Branch Rickey convinced them the story was hogwash. The pitcher later admitted to being drunk but claimed he never left his hotel the night in questions and that his manager had made up the kidnapping details in order to tell a good story. Regardless of its veracity, the “abduction” became synonymous with Rhem from that point forward.

Later, Rhem’s son and only child Sonny explained, “He had an alcohol problem. It would come and go, come and go. He struggled with alcohol his entire life. That was his weakness.”

In his 12 seasons in the majors spent with the Cardinals, Boston Braves and Philadelphia Phillies, he finished 105–97 with a 4.20 ERA. He pitched in four World Series (winning two and losing two) but was ineffective, going a combined 0–1 with a 6.10 ERA in four appearances (two starts).

Later in life, Rhem’s version of the kidnapping story evolved. He claimed that on the night in question, he hadn’t been drinking at all but was felled with a bout of food poisoning from a bad steak dinner. He elaborated:

“Mr. Rickey came by my room… Outside in the hall there were a few sportswriters… Mr. Rickey said, ‘You look like somebody kidnapped you’ and I responded, ‘call it what you like.’ Now that’s all I said so help me.”

The legend of the kidnapping is simultaneously humorous and extremely sad. Rhem had moments of great achievement throughout his career but also likely left a lot on the table given his ability and the obstacles presented by his addiction. His legacy should be greater than an absurd story, but nearly a century later it appears he will be measured more by the sum of his faults than his achievements.

This is insane. Can’t believe I’ve never read about this before. Thanks for dropping this one! :lol:
 
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I feel good vibe ‘14 parallels. The main one being Bama has to simultaneously prepare to defend an incredibly potent deep passing attack and a RB and OL on fire.

That’s not easy to do and they will have to pick their poison. Hopefully we can exploit whichever one they choose to gamble on.

Presumably they will choose to stop the run and take their chances with the pass game.

The good news to me is that while Clemson was schematically vulnerable to vertical attacks because of the zone coverage they rely on to take away short and medium stuff, I don’t believe Bama runs the same scheme (I’ll have to watch some more of their games) and are vulnerable to those shorter, higher percentage routes.

Just bombing it deep is great, and we should take our shots against Bama for sure, but despite Fields absolutely balling out against Clemson, those are not high percentage shots and it’s unreasonable to expect to hit them at that percentage again.

The ability to also slice up the Bama defense with some higher percentage shorter stuff makes me feel good going into the game.

And just an aside, the Clemson D is so dominant because 98% of college teams don’t have the WRs or QB to attack them vertically.

But when they run into a team that does have those weapons, (and I’d argue it’s still a good defense, because even elite QBs can be off, sometimes, but when they’re not) well...



 
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Just looking over some of the stats, some quick film and such - those YY looks we used to exploit Clemson with last night might work a treat against Bama. They've really struggled against that most of the season it would seem.

Even better for the Bucks, there isn't a ton of tape on us using those looks much. So the coaching staff has a good deal of freedom to come up with some new(er) designs.
 
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Wow....Steve Sarkisian to take Texas HC job after UT fires Tom Herman.

Shades of Lane Kiffin taking a HC role in 2014 prior to playing Buckeyes. The timing is more favorable to Bama this time though, as early signing period is over, and Sark can focus more on this game before leaving for Austin.
Kiffin was Bama’s OC through 2016
 
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Line opened at Bama -7. It's already up to -8. I hope it gets into double-digits.
I just dont get that... why are people so wowed by this Alabama team? They have 1 great WR and a great back to go along with a great QB.

We have two WRs who are equal to or not far behind Smith, a running back who's on a roll moreso than any back, and a better and more dangerous QB.

Just do the math here.

Clemson beat ND worse than Bama did and we just dismantled Clemson.

Frankly I may be in the minority here but I wouldn't be shocked if the games not particularly close.

Everyone won't shut up about the Alabama offense but seriously we just played a more dangerous QB than the one we will face and IMO Clemson had the deeper WR core.

Where Alabama can hurt us that Clemson couldn't is up front. Alabama is better on the OL by far over Clemson and they have a back that's more physical than Etienne although perhaps not as explosive.

Something to remember is Alabama lost their center vs Florida so that's not great for them considering who we have at DT.

Maybe I'm crazy but my first thought is a very similar game that we just had. What is also encouraging is our DL couldn't go all out to pressure Lawrence because of his mobility. Well, that's not an issue against Mac Jones.
 
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Where Alabama can hurt us that Clemson couldn't is up front. Alabama is better on the OL by far over Clemson

I totally see our corners locking down enough to force the run. Will put line get beat up at times? Sure, but isn’t that EXACTLY the same plan against Oregon in 2015 when Coombs was lurking the sideline then as well?

I distinctly remember Fickell commenting that he wasn’t nervous about Oregon after scoring on their opening drive. Said that because the defense forced them into like 15 plays, he knew they would outpace them in the game. We did our best to force Oregon into errant throws through a monster DLine with a ball hawking secondary that was coming on after a slow start.

This is how I see it playing out, again. I’m not saying Bama is going to be a pushover but I’ll be damned if OSU isn’t coming in clicking with a hot hand. If each unit executes at least at 90% to start the game, this could get out of control quickly.
 
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I just dont get that... why are people so wowed by this Alabama team? They have 1 great WR and a great back to go along with a great QB.

We have two WRs who are equal to or not far behind Smith, a running back who's on a roll moreso than any back, and a better and more dangerous QB.

Just do the math here.

Clemson beat ND worse than Bama did and we just dismantled Clemson.

Frankly I may be in the minority here but I wouldn't be shocked if the games not particularly close.

Everyone won't shut up about the Alabama offense but seriously we just played a more dangerous QB than the one we will face and IMO Clemson had the deeper WR core.

Where Alabama can hurt us that Clemson couldn't is up front. Alabama is better on the OL by far over Clemson and they have a back that's more physical than Etienne although perhaps not as explosive.

Something to remember is Alabama lost their center vs Florida so that's not great for them considering who we have at DT.

Maybe I'm crazy but my first thought is a very similar game that we just had. What is also encouraging is our DL couldn't go all out to pressure Lawrence because of his mobility. Well, that's not an issue against Mac Jones.

- Devonta Smith is pretty far ahead of Olave and Wilson. He has speed, footwork, hands, and surprisingly physical for not being a "bigger" reciever. He'll be the 1st WR off the board this year for a damn good reason. The kid looks THAT good.

- They have Najee Harris

- Uh, not really. Mac might not be the athlete, but he is every bit the passer and then some that Fields is. Actually, going off the total body of work this season, give Mac Jones the edge here strictly from the pocket.

- Transitive property in college football doesn't always work. tOSU is proof of that.

- Bama lost their starting center. A bad center can break an Oline, so this will prove huge for Haskell and co.

- Our DL won't be able to go "all out" on Bama because of their commitment to the running game and the creative way they develop screens.

It would be nothing short of a minor miracle if this isn't a 45-41 kind of game.
 
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