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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

Discussion in 'College Football' started by OSUBasketballJunkie, Oct 29, 2005.

  1. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    Interesting too that Whitlock praises Willingham for getting what he did out of Davie's guys, and derides (at least indirectly) Weiss for getting what he has out of Ty's guys. The entire article is a complete double standard.
  2. In all reality, they really havent faced a somwhat dominant defense yet this year. USC was probably the best and they got a lot of yards put up on them by ASU, Oregon, and the teams in the Pac-10.

    I think USC is ranked at like 35th in total defense and we all know their pass defense is really suspsect.

    Not knocking Wise and Notre Dame, I just think it is way too early for the media and Notre Dame to put him up on a pedestal.
  3. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Where the media is concerned, I've grown tired of college football coverage. Too reactionary, very little honest analysis. Maybe it's always been that way, but I don't remember it as such.

    Off topic, but kinda the point - you've got a guy like Craig James asking "Where have you been" in regard to OSU's LB's...

    now we've gotta deal with Weis being shoved down our collective asses... He seems like a decent guy, from all that I've been able to observe, and I think he's good for the college game. Doesn't make me like ND any better, I can tell ya that.

    I'm getting to the point, if it's not from CFN, I consider the analysis or commentary useless (National media wise, I should note)
  4. Totally agree with you here. I think they need to hit on more than just one or two things a week. It seems everyweek all you hear is USC is god, Why Texas and not Va Tech, Is Marcus Vick better than Michael Vick, and Notre Dame is back.

    Soon all we are going to here about is the Heisman race and Vince Young, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinhart.
  5. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    People fail to grasp that Vick was not a good QB at all in the true sense of the world. I think Marcus is very talented, but I would take Stanton, Young, Leinart, Hodges, the kid from UCLA (name is escaping me), and a few others before Marcus.
  6. wells

    wells Freshman

    drew olsen
  7. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    for the sake of accuracy, the correct phrase would be either "down our collective throats" or "up our collective asses". If it was shoved down my ass it would either end up in the toilet, or in my pants.
  8. sandgk

    sandgk Watson, Crick & A Twist

    Which is basically what everyone has been saying in one fashion or another on their "feedback" page.
  9. smith403

    smith403 The Man Who Started A Dynasty

    Was listening to Mike & Mike as I was driving...Whitlock refused to come on the show to defend his article...
  10. sandgk

    sandgk Watson, Crick & A Twist

    He came on the Dan Patrick show.

    Whitlock said he has a history of bringing up racism whether its when a black man is doing something racist (he cited Ron Artest), when it involves a white man (Weis). But, he claimed, "its only when it involves a white man that guys like you call me."

    Dan was very polite, said he had Whitlock invited because he wanted to learn more about his perspective on things. Dan talked Whitlock down from the ledge a little, getting him to acknowledge that while Willingham's treatment was harsh it didn't mean it was racist, and got him to assent that you could simply say ND jumped the gun on the 10-year deal.

    Overall Patrick made huge quantities of sense. Immediately after Whitlock went off the line he came back with a summary that basically said that there was no racism in his opinion in ND's choice, that TW had won with Defense (which was not improving) and had neglected to improve the Offense. While he believed Ty merited similar treatment to Davie, Dan did not believe Ty was the best coach for ND, and that ND reacted fast to sew up Weis on the first go-around.

    He then read over the air a "smattering of opinions" received during the piece. Which stated that Whitlock's all too often tries to bring race into his writing, hence how can you take that stance seriously when the card is so seriously over played?
  11. Taosman

    Taosman Flatten the Curve

    Look how much money the Domers are throwing Weiss's way. If I'm Willinghams lawyer I tell him to squeeze the Domers for some more Benjamin's. :biggrin: What they did was cowardly in the least. And looks worse with Weiss's big contract. :evil:
  12. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Bookie

    Two thoughts...

    One, Willingham almost certainly doesn't care.

    Second, the other way to look at this is that Notre Dame did a very smart thing by NOT giving Willingham a contract after 7 games. They, of course may have done a very stupid thing by giving one to Weiss, though. He has one good win, against a middling Michigan team on the road.

    Dazzled by offense... that's all it is... and offense against team that don't play D, by enlarged.

    Oh yeah, what do you think the expectations are for next year?
  13. AirForceBuck

    AirForceBuck No mercy

    Of course Weis is going to say the right things to show appreciation towards his new and bountiful contract. A couple players and announcers for ESPN (ie. Herby) said that he enjoys Sunday coaching much more. That he loves his school, but still wanted a pro head coaching position before turning towards Notre Dames way. I dont think that if he leaves it will be anytime soon though. It will come down to if he can get the players he wants through that tough admissions board in South Bend as well as other coaching aspects that are hard to steer though at ND.

    Side NOTE: I was dinged on this damn thread by someone who didnt post their names. Normally I wont say anything but this is now the 5-6 time I have been "dinged" lately without a name and without me bashing any member or teammate. If you dissagree, thats fine, but you dont discredit someones reputation because of it!!
  14. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I hate it when some dingers don't sign their gutless shots.

    But I, and many others, hate it just as much when people complain about it. You won't get one from me, but it may be time to duck. Just hope that most of them sign it.
  15. Taosman

    Taosman Flatten the Curve

    People like exercising their"power".There is a piling on mentality. Don't take your rep quite so seriously. Or develop a thicker skin. :biggrin:

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