BuckeyeBaiter
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Very good Best Buck. Players have a standard, you don't live up to it you're gone. Very simple and fair
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
What's behind it? Why not start here? Why is there a network of adults, mostly college grads, who get on the internet and talk OSU football? I'm a teacher, a coach (track) and a retired Army reservist. I'm guessing from most of the posts I see here that the rest of you have similar positions of responsibility. Yet all of us spend a good deal of energy and money on OSU football. Look at the passion that gets poured out on these pages over games. You think that doesn't make some sort of an impression on young men?
I love Buckeye football, but I've seen first hand how sports corrupt and how they distort the mission of the university and our high schools. I don't want to write a disertation on this, but start with the social structure within a high school. The adulation of the players by parents, alums, female students, some faculty and the media can not help but contribute to a sense of being "special" and entitled. Time spent on a pep rally is time not spent on English, social studies, and the sciences. And when did your school have a pep rally for the National Merit Scholars?
The Cincinnati media spends a good deal of time reporting the activities of our high school kids and it is seldom about academics. When was the last time you picked up the paper and saw a story, with a photo, showing what some school's speech team, or JETS program team did? How about a story on the marching bands?
I don't fault the media. They wouldn't do it if they didn't realize that the first thing I do on Saturday mornings is pour myself a cup of coffee. look at the headlines and then turn to the sports pages and check the scores.
So why would a very successful businessman "buy" a jock's friendship? Why are there luxury boxes at Ohio Stadium? As Pogo said many years ago, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
I love Buckeye football, but I've seen first hand how sports corrupt and how they distort the mission of the university and our high schools. I don't want to write a disertation on this, but start with the social structure within a high school. The adulation of the players by parents, alums, female students, some faculty and the media can not help but contribute to a sense of being "special" and entitled. Time spent on a pep rally is time not spent on English, social studies, and the sciences. And when did your school have a pep rally for the National Merit Scholars?
The Cincinnati media spends a good deal of time reporting the activities of our high school kids and it is seldom about academics. When was the last time you picked up the paper and saw a story, with a photo, showing what some school's speech team, or JETS program team did? How about a story on the marching bands?
I don't fault the media. They wouldn't do it if they didn't realize that the first thing I do on Saturday mornings is pour myself a cup of coffee. look at the headlines and then turn to the sports pages and check the scores.
So why would a very successful businessman "buy" a jock's friendship? Why are there luxury boxes at Ohio Stadium? As Pogo said many years ago, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
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Airspace
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If we are to clean up college football it will need to be a two prong attack.
First, we need a true alternative to college football, there are many in college athletics that do not belong in college. The NFL has a development league and its known as college football. The NFL needs to have a AAA league for football like baseball has. The NFL does not have to because of college football, and will not because they are cheap and don't want to spend the money.
Second, colleges need to weed out kids who have no business in college and make little to no attempt at getting an education. What this requires is for schools to determine what business they are in - education or athletics. I can see a split happening with some institutions going the way of the Ivy League schools and other schools heading more the way of SEC schools.
Do I see either option being adopted - no. We will remain in the same swamp.
As an alum and fan, this situation sickens me.
First, we need a true alternative to college football, there are many in college athletics that do not belong in college. The NFL has a development league and its known as college football. The NFL needs to have a AAA league for football like baseball has. The NFL does not have to because of college football, and will not because they are cheap and don't want to spend the money.
Second, colleges need to weed out kids who have no business in college and make little to no attempt at getting an education. What this requires is for schools to determine what business they are in - education or athletics. I can see a split happening with some institutions going the way of the Ivy League schools and other schools heading more the way of SEC schools.
Do I see either option being adopted - no. We will remain in the same swamp.
As an alum and fan, this situation sickens me.
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Penguin-BUCK
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Your absolutely right Hotrod123 they have been around forever and they are here even now! after this mess. People who don't believe it are naive to think otherwisehotrodr123 said:
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leek
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I think there are a number of points to consider:
1. How to handle coaches, administrators and others "inside" a program who commit violations.( See Pat Dye, Joe B. Hall)
2. How to handle boosters who give $$ handshakes. (Who is that guy in Springfield?)
3. How to handle players who break the rules. (remember Hart Lee Dykes, the king of them all...put THREE programs on probation)
I believe the current system doesn't really penalize in a fair and equitable way. When insiders break the rules, they usually are terminated, but then their replacements and the players who came into their program a few years later get penalized by the NCAA. My belief is those "insiders" who cheat should be banned from coaching by the NCAA for a minimum of ten years. period. (O'Brien resumes coaching in 2014, bye bye Quinn Snyder).
The boosters? an easier group to handle. If they break NCAA rules, they lose access to the program, and the university should pursue legal remedy to recover the cost of the players grant-in-aid, because..
I advocate the player immediately lose at LEAST one year of eligibility, BUT not lose their scholarship. If they want to attend school and work towards a degree, that's good. Let their booster buddy pay for it. These players would not count towards the 85 grant limitation (they don't now either). I also advocate a three strikes you're out rule for players. I imagine 'reecie would have lasted weeks :)
1. How to handle coaches, administrators and others "inside" a program who commit violations.( See Pat Dye, Joe B. Hall)
2. How to handle boosters who give $$ handshakes. (Who is that guy in Springfield?)
3. How to handle players who break the rules. (remember Hart Lee Dykes, the king of them all...put THREE programs on probation)
I believe the current system doesn't really penalize in a fair and equitable way. When insiders break the rules, they usually are terminated, but then their replacements and the players who came into their program a few years later get penalized by the NCAA. My belief is those "insiders" who cheat should be banned from coaching by the NCAA for a minimum of ten years. period. (O'Brien resumes coaching in 2014, bye bye Quinn Snyder).
The boosters? an easier group to handle. If they break NCAA rules, they lose access to the program, and the university should pursue legal remedy to recover the cost of the players grant-in-aid, because..
I advocate the player immediately lose at LEAST one year of eligibility, BUT not lose their scholarship. If they want to attend school and work towards a degree, that's good. Let their booster buddy pay for it. These players would not count towards the 85 grant limitation (they don't now either). I also advocate a three strikes you're out rule for players. I imagine 'reecie would have lasted weeks :)
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UGABuck
All-American
Actually, I think we just keep doing what we are doing. The NCAA has it's rules and tOSU does a good job of compliance...better than most schools. This just happens to be "our time". Every school goes through these periods and this will pass. Look, it could we worse...we could be an SEC school. We are graduating players, reporting violations and still winning football games. And we kick the bad ones of the team.
I am still proud of the team and the school.
I am still proud of the team and the school.
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DDOTT
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Most of you guys understood the question. I did not mean to say that OSU or any other school runs a dirty program but they have had their share of problems/ and or issues over the years.
Players receive illegal benefits everywhere, It is just OSU's turn to get the publicity.
I do know that there is still some "hate" at the way the Buckeyes won the National Championship, and when Clarett came out and said what he did it blew the doors wide open for more speculation.
Players receive illegal benefits everywhere, It is just OSU's turn to get the publicity.
I do know that there is still some "hate" at the way the Buckeyes won the National Championship, and when Clarett came out and said what he did it blew the doors wide open for more speculation.
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