Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[3074326]

Let's talk about Kelly's defenses instead of his offenses. That seems like a more relevant and worthy discussion..

I think a Greg Roman + Alex Smith combo would be a nice change. Alex Smith is not a franchise QB, but he's good enough to run the offense until the team improves everywhere else. Smith already knows Roman's offense as well.

 

[BayBuck]

i'll let you count the number of times they run basic zone run plays vs. the number of zone read plays tomorrow night. you won't like the answer.

http://fishduck.com/the-chip-kelly-...nse/first-fish-tutorial-the-inside-zone-read/

Inside Zone Read or Outside Zone Read?.the two basic plays of the Oregon Offense

 

[Jake]

Head coach: Jim Tressel
Offensive coordinator: Jim Bollman
Defensive coordinator: Luke Fickell
Quarterback: Troy Smith

 

[Bleed S & G]

Head coach: Jim Tressel
Offensive coordinator: Jim Bollman
Defensive coordinator: Luke Fickell
Quarterback: Troy Smith

I did pick up Troy last night off the FA while starting a new Madden franchise. He's younger than Weeden :(

 

[BuckBackHome]

Head coach: Jim Tressel
Offensive coordinator: Jim Bollman
Defensive coordinator: Luke Fickell
Quarterback: Troy Smith

You had me at Bollman. You had me at Bollman!

 

[exhawg]

It sounds like they are holding off on hiring the GM mainly because they are looking at big names that will want more control over the roster and draft.

 

[LitlBuck]

Ray Horton was interviewed today so the Rooney has been met. Kelly set for Friday.

Someone else asked how Kelly felt his offensive system would work in the NFL.​

“Don’t know, haven’t been there…” Kelly said. “There's a lot of ways to play football…Trends go one way and the other... Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system. Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There's a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you're doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”​

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/oregon_coach_chip_kelly_i_dont.html

 

[LitlBuck]

It sounds like they are holding off on hiring the GM mainly because they are looking at big names that will want more control over the roster and draft.

The way I understand the hierarchy of the Banner way of running a football operation is that the coach has full control over the 53 man roster and the GM as input into the draft but so does Banner and the coach. I don't think that the GM as a whole lot of control in this type of organization. It's almost like they are hiring a coach and then the coach is going to tell them who he would like as a GM.

 

[NFBuck]

I'll welcome any grief coming my way for this, but if hairlice is available in round 3 or 4, I wouldn't mind to take a chance on him. I think he actually showed some decent ability to play RB yesterday (ended up with 100 yards on 23 carries against one of the best run defenses in the country basically playing TB). Would make a nice change-of-pace guy for Richardson, IMO. Could also make a very good slot guy in a Chip Kelly offense.

 

[3074326]

I'll welcome any grief coming my way for this, but if hairlice is available in round 3 or 4, I wouldn't mind to take a chance on him. I think he actually showed some decent ability to play RB yesterday (ended up with 100 yards on 23 carries against one of the best run defenses in the country basically playing TB). Would make a nice change-of-pace guy for Richardson, IMO. Could also make a very good slot guy in a Chip Kelly offense.

He's a fantastic playmaker. People who wouldn't want their team to take a chance on him are just being stubborn.

 

[Bucklion]

I'll welcome any grief coming my way for this, but if hairlice is available in round 3 or 4, I wouldn't mind to take a chance on him. I think he actually showed some decent ability to play RB yesterday (ended up with 100 yards on 23 carries against one of the best run defenses in the country basically playing TB). Would make a nice change-of-pace guy for Richardson, IMO. Could also make a very good slot guy in a Chip Kelly offense.

He's a fantastic playmaker. People who wouldn't want their team to take a chance on him are just being stubborn.

All depends on what they could use him for. I see him as kind of a Dexter McCluster type, and KC has never really utilized him very well, but I think he could be a good NFL player with the right coaches and scheme. But if the team had Little, Gordon, Benjamin, Cameron, and Hairlace on the field at the same time, it could certainly open some things up...if a QB could get any of them the ball, that is. I wouldn't want to burn anything higher than a 4 because I think we have too many needs on defense at 1 and 3, but a flier on a guy who might make some plays wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. The offense wouldn't be built around him, he would be a complement guy, which he might be successful at.

 

[Buckeneye]

people apparently have vast misconception about what oregon's bread and butter plays are. they aren't the zone read.

Then do enlighten us, good sir.

i'll let you count the number of times they run basic zone run plays vs. the number of zone read plays tomorrow night. you won't like the answer.

"Basic zone run plays" is so vague. Are you talking about shotgun hand-offs with zone blocking? In which case outside zone plays have the RB's reading point starting at the tackle on the front side of the play.

Having a shotgun based offense with a dual threat QB and NOT utilizing a read or double read even in run/pass options is counter productive unless otherwise trying to protect the QB.

We could get into what Ohio State does with Braxton on the counter-trey, QB misdirection and QB power - that's without a read.


So just for the sake of playing along - I'll watch the Fiesta Bowl with my little notepad and do the tally. I encourage anyone else to join in on that.


edit: 5th rounder for hairlace and a 6th or 7th for Boren sounds like a good back-end draft to me.

double edit: At least with Chip (and lets pretend with draft Robinson) you know for a fact at least him and Cribbs (if he stays) wouldn't be under utilized.

 

[jwinslow]

double edit: At least with Chip (and lets pretend with draft Robinson) you know for a fact at least him and Cribbs (if he stays) wouldn't be under utilized.
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I am guessing that chip prefers qbs that can actually make reads

 

[jlb1705]

I'll welcome any grief coming my way for this, but if hairlice is available in round 3 or 4, I wouldn't mind to take a chance on him. I think he actually showed some decent ability to play RB yesterday (ended up with 100 yards on 23 carries against one of the best run defenses in the country basically playing TB). Would make a nice change-of-pace guy for Richardson, IMO. Could also make a very good slot guy in a Chip Kelly offense.

He's a fantastic playmaker. People who wouldn't want their team to take a chance on him are just being stubborn.

All depends on what they could use him for. I see him as kind of a Dexter McCluster type, and KC has never really utilized him very well, but I think he could be a good NFL player with the right coaches and scheme. But if the team had Little, Gordon, Benjamin, Cameron, and Hairlace on the field at the same time, it could certainly open some things up...if a QB could get any of them the ball, that is. I wouldn't want to burn anything higher than a 4 because I think we have too many needs on defense at 1 and 3, but a flier on a guy who might make some plays wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. The offense wouldn't be built around him, he would be a complement guy, which he might be successful at.

I'll bite. I think Day 2 is way too high for somebody like Robinson. I'm aware that's where he'll probably be drafted, but I don't want the Browns to be the ones to do it. There are good teams that already possess the all-around depth to take a chance on somebody like him at WR/RB in a limited role. The Browns are not one of them in my IMO.

He's Josh Cribbs, but 20 lbs. lighter and without the toughness, durability or capability of contributing on special teams.

 

[NFBuck]

I am guessing that chip prefers qbs that can actually make reads

Earlier, I floated the idea of drafting him and using him as a change of pace back for Richardson or in the slot. He shouldn't sniff QB in the NFL.