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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

I guess I don't understand why so many teams, including the Browns, are interviewing Whisenhunt and Horton. I mean Arizona didn't do anything special this year but I am probably missing something from prior years and why is there no mention of Russ Grimm who is their OC.
 
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LitlBuck;2285966; said:
I guess I don't understand why so many teams, including the Browns, are interviewing Whisenhunt and Horton. I mean Arizona didn't do anything special this year but I am probably missing something from prior years and why is there no mention of Russ Grimm who is their OC.

Horton is understandable.
 
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Buckeneye;2285420; said:
Then do enlighten us, good sir.




"Basic zone run plays" is so vague. Are you talking about shotgun hand-offs with zone blocking? In which case outside zone plays have the RB's reading point starting at the tackle on the front side of the play.

Having a shotgun based offense with a dual threat QB and NOT utilizing a read or double read even in run/pass options is counter productive unless otherwise trying to protect the QB.

We could get into what Ohio State does with Braxton on the counter-trey, QB misdirection and QB power - that's without a read.


So just for the sake of playing along - I'll watch the Fiesta Bowl with my little notepad and do the tally. I encourage anyone else to join in on that.


edit: 5th rounder for hairlace and a 6th or 7th for Boren sounds like a good back-end draft to me.

double edit: At least with Chip (and lets pretend with draft Robinson) you know for a fact at least him and Cribbs (if he stays) wouldn't be under utilized.

If anyone takes the time to read the novel I posted about 4 pages ago, I think it gives a pretty good summation of what Chip tries to accomplish with his offense.

But to make a long story short, he finds weaknesses in the defense and attacks it hard. You bring the safeties up to support the run, he's running 3 posts behind it. You leave the safeties deep, and he's running between the tackles until you stop it.

He does incorporate some zone read, but I don't think it is as much as some are assuming. The tempo of his offense is what causes mis-matches. The inability to substitute once he has his 11 guys on the field is the game-changer. They feel like whatever combination of offensive players they have on the field will be able to exploit match-ups down the field and once you've committed the personnel for a drive you are pretty much stuck with it. Most teams try and play some combination of nickel against it which is why the power run game is so successful.

Anyways, I have zero doubt this guy could create and execute a well run NFL offensive system that players would love to be a part of which is half the battle anyways. A good example of that is Shannahan in Washington. Obviously they're good at what they do, but a lot of the success comes from players who love what they are doing and have bought in. I think Kelly will create that as well....
 
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IronBuckI;2285981; said:
Just finished it. Great read.

I agree...I'm going to post some of the more interesting tidbits I liked from it:

This is payback, in a way. Kelly spent his younger years meeting with coaches to pick their brains. He visited colleges and NFL teams. He regularly talked to coaches. He went to clinics. Kelly wanted to soak up as much information as possible. Andy Reid played and coached at BYU. That was the first offense that really influenced him. He later learned the WCO from Mike Holmgren. Those two sources are the foundation of his playbook. Kelly built his playbook from the ground up. He took the principles of his high school and college coaches (run the ball) and added bits and pieces from all over to help him create an offense that could be fundamentally sound, simple, and explosive.

Ask Reid about football and he?ll tell you it is all about matchups. Kelly will largely agree. The difference is that Reid focused on his beloved passing game. Kelly sought out ways to create favorable running situations. Kelly loved the passing game earlier in his career, but the coaches around him preached the running game and that has been Kelly?s focus in the last decade.

Kelly started to develop some buzz in the coaching world. He had a QB, RB, and WR all set major records under him. The offense was good for 400 yards and 30 points virtually every week. And this was at New Hampshire, not exactly a football power. Kelly talked to some bigger schools. Nothing worked out. Tom Coughlin offered him a job with the Giants. Kelly was interested, but it was only Quality Control Offense. Kelly would be assisting other coaches and more of an information guy. He turned down the offer because he wanted to coach. Kelly wanted to remain a coordinator.

Some say Kelly is arrogant. Hes picky about jobs. He?s picky about how things are done. He's very demanding. Those around him think Kelly is more confident than arrogant. He?s always seeking out other coaches for ideas on how to improve his team. Kelly isn't married to a specific offense or scheme. He does what works. Kelly certainly believes in himself and his ideas, but not blindly. If it isn't working, he will make changes. He does have a lot of self confidence. Think about saying no to Tom Coughlin to keep your job as the OC at New Hampshire. You have to really believe in yourself to pass that opportunity up.

Mike Bellotti figured that out. And it?s a little bit of a long story. But Bellotti lost to Utah (in 2005). (Then-Utah head coach) Urban Meyer was running the spread (offense) one of the early adopters of the spread. In fact, some people credit him with being the inventor. Bellotti, when he saw that system, said, "We could use some of that. Literally, maybe within a year or two later, he decided to put in a spread." He sent (offensive coordinator Gary Crowton) down to work with Urban Meyer. So he went down there and the offensive coordinator for Florida was Dan Mullen, who's now the head coach of Mississippi State "I told you this was a long story. Anyway, (Mullen's) from New Hampshire. And he says, "The guy who really knows this stuff is Chip Kelly up at the University of New Hampshire." So Crowton, when he came back he had some rough edges to the spread and he started calling Chip Kelly on Sundays saying, ?This came up and I didn't quite know what to do with it.? And Chip always had an answer. So, when LSU came and picked up Crowton, Bellotti knew he?d been talking to Chip Kelly, so he went to get Chip Kelly.

Most people play the ?Steve Spurrier card? in regard to Kelly. Joe College will hit the NFL and make a fool of himself. The situations could not be more different. Kelly is a workaholic. He is incredibly driven and has worked his way up from the bottom. Spurrier was a Heisman Trophy winning QB at Florida. He was arrogant. He believed that he truly was smarter than others and could win in the NFL by doing things his way (work smarter, not harder). In college, Spurrier was always the smartest coach on the field. That wasn?t the case in the NFL and his inability to deal with that fact made him a failure.

Kelly is the guy with the chip on his shoulder. He wasn?t a star player. He didn?t start his coaching career in the SEC and ACC like Spurrier did. Spurrier was the OC at Duke by his 3rd year. Kelly was still a high school coach in his 3rd season of coaching. Kelly will not be out-worked. Spurrier is famous for playing golf in the afternoons. One of the criticisms that Oregon boosters have with Kelly is that he won?t attend their offseason golf outings. He sends his assistants. Spurrier plays during the season on a regular basis.

Kelly won?t come to the NFL thinking he knows more than the other coaches. Kelly has met with NFL staffs over the years. Initially it was to learn. Over time he became the lecturer so that they could learn. He still takes away whatever nuggets of wisdom that he can. Kelly loves learning the game of football and still sees himself as a student of the game.

Can Kelly?s offense work in the NFL? Complex question. The first thing I think you have to understand is that Kelly doesn?t see himself as having just one offense. He?s noted for the spread option, but isn?t married to it. If he was made coach of the Patriots, Kelly would run a passing offense that featured Tom Brady. Kelly has had athletic QBs at UNH and Oregon so he?s run the spread option.

I?m sure he?d love to have an athletic QB like RG3, Russell Wilson, or Colin Kaepernick to run his full playbook, but the key for Kelly is to have a smart QB who is accurate. Jake Locker is a great athlete, but highly inconsistent passer. Tim Tebow is a big, strong guy, but didn?t always make good reads when running the option. Those guys might drive Kelly a bit nuts.

Kelly is all about numbers. If he can make you worry about his passing game and leave fewer guys in the box, he will run. If you stack the box, he will throw. If you load up the outside, he?ll attack the inside. And so on. This isn?t rocket science. Kelly wants to see where you line up your defenders and then he will attack the weak spots. These basic principles already work in the NFL. Watch Brady and Manning at the LOS, looking over the defense. They want to attack the weak spots in the defense.

Kelly isn?t a ?plays? guy. Spurrier was. Reid and Mornhinweg definitely are. Kelly will tell you to focus on players, not plays. Think back to the Skins game. The Eagles threw the ball to TE Evan Moore at one of the most critical moments in the game. The design of the play worked. Moore was open. The pass was accurate. Should have been a TD. The problem is that football isn?t chess. You can?t think of the players as pieces who will do as you wish. You must account for the human element. That generally means focusing on your star players. Get them the ball in crunch time. Don?t focus on surprising the other team. Out-execute them.

If he comes to the NFL, Kelly will adapt to the players he has. Over time he?ll shape the roster to be exactly what he wants, but don?t fall into the trap of thinking what you see at Oregon is exactly what you?d see in the pros. Kelly is smart enough to know that you can use multiple QBs in college, but in the NFL you need one star QB and the team is built around him. That means limiting him as a runner.

One of the recent stats that has helped to show Super Bowl teams is sack differential (sacks for vs sacks against). Kelly hates sacks. His philosophy is to blame them on the QB. Always. Kelly thinks the QB should get rid of the ball. 2nd and 10 is better than 2nd and 17, as he loves to point out. Oregon was in the Top 12 in fewest sacks allowed from 2009-2011. This year they are down at 37th. Having a Freshman QB will do that to you. Oregon has rushed the passer well in his time as HC.

One thing I love about Kelly is that he sees himself as a teacher and understands that the players won?t learn if you don?t explain things the right way. Kelly points out that players today love to know why things are done a certain way. Instead of using the old ?because I told you so? line, Kelly teaches his coaches to tell the players why something is done. If you can?t explain why something is done a certain way, maybe it isn?t the right thing to do.

I am not sure how much of Kelly?s style of coaching during games would follow him to the NFL. He loves to go for 2 in college. Oregon starts a lot of games up 8-0. Kelly wants to put the opponent on their heels right away. And he?s not afraid to fail on the attempt because he expects to score plenty of points. Kelly hates to kick FGs. His team has hit 5, 9, 13, and 16 FGs in his time as coach. Remember how bad Penn State?s kicker was early this year and how Bill O?Brien would go for it all the time on 4th down? That PK still hit 14 FGs on the year. That will likely be the lowest total for an O?Brien team and it is close to the most for a Kelly team.

I?m sure Kelly would be more aggressive about going for 2 and going for it on 4th downs than most NFL coaches, but he might dial down what he does at Oregon. Kelly is smart enough to understand there is a big difference in pro and college football. Few college games swing on one play. Generally one team is clearly better than the other. The NFL is a league of parity. Many games have one key moment. There is a fine line between aggressive and reckless.
 
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billmac91;2285978; said:
If anyone takes the time to read the novel I posted about 4 pages ago, I think it gives a pretty good summation of what Chip tries to accomplish with his offense.

But to make a long story short, he finds weaknesses in the defense and attacks it hard. You bring the safeties up to support the run, he's running 3 posts behind it. You leave the safeties deep, and he's running between the tackles until you stop it.

He does incorporate some zone read, but I don't think it is as much as some are assuming. The tempo of his offense is what causes mis-matches. The inability to substitute once he has his 11 guys on the field is the game-changer. They feel like whatever combination of offensive players they have on the field will be able to exploit match-ups down the field and once you've committed the personnel for a drive you are pretty much stuck with it. Most teams try and play some combination of nickel against it which is why the power run game is so successful.

Anyways, I have zero doubt this guy could create and execute a well run NFL offensive system that players would love to be a part of which is half the battle anyways. A good example of that is Shannahan in Washington. Obviously they're good at what they do, but a lot of the success comes from players who love what they are doing and have bought in. I think Kelly will create that as well....

this. the whole thing was laid out in length pages ago. the hyperbole of the use of the zone read in this thread is pretty impressive.
 
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this is still one of my all time favorites

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tony grossi said from a source that the browns will interview more coaches after Kelly...my guess is that they get definitive answers from Gruden and Saban on what their odds are of coaching the browns and based off that they will move quickly to get Kelly...i dont know a whole lot about Kelly and I have no idea how he would do in the NFL..but as far as the other canidates ive heard so far that we have interviewed, I would be most satisfied with Kelly or Wisenhunt (sigh)...im more worried about whoever we get to be the GM and who has control over the draft...if the browns had a better coach they could of won at least 3 more games...the typical cleveland luck didnt help in some of those games but theres no doubt in my mind Shurmur screwed up at least 3 of those games...so coach for me is important but i think the GM position is even more crucial at this point...heckert didnt do a terrible job and has left whoever takes this team over in decent position to succeed next year...regardless, whoever takes over this team, may god have mercy on their soul
 
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Okay Banner earn your money and get this deal done.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Oregon coach Chip Kelly, who's set to interview with the Browns today, said he'll listen to offers and wants to get "it wrapped up quickly.''


"It’s a fact-finding mission, finding if it fits or doesn’t fit,” Kelly said in his postgame press conference following Thursday night's 35-17 victory over Kansas State in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. "I don’t really have any preconceived notions about it. That’s what this deal is all about for me. It’s not going to affect us because we’re not on the road [recruiting]. So it’ll be an opportunity if people do call, see where they are. I want to get it wrapped up quickly and figure out where I’m going to be.”

Kelly will also interview with the Eagles and Bills, beginning today and probably over the next couple of days. The Chargers might also become a late addition to the sweepstakes, a source said. They've retained former Packers GM Ron Wolf to help conduct their search, and he might decide to interview Kelly. Wolf has said he regrets not hiring Andy Reid to coach the Pack back when he was a Green Bay assistant.


Banner, who hired Reid to coach the Eagles in 1999, prides himself on being the only one to interview Reid despite multiple openings that year. Reid is reportedly currently close to a deal to coach the Chiefs.

Kelly is the top choice of at least the Browns and Eagles. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner are in Arizona to conduct the interview, and Banner, for one, has a strong relationship with Kelly's agent, David Dunn.
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