Cleveland Browns (2013 Season)

[tsteele316]

Sheard can line up at DE on passing downs and unless we draft a pass rusher - he'll be at the 5tech a lot.

Our rotation up front wil probably be Taylor, Rubin & Winn. With Taylor and Sheard rotating positions on the line. Hughes coming in to spell Taylor or Rubin.

I wonder if this will give Emmanuel Acho a chance to be a pass rusher in camp?
Or perhaps we take a stab at Alex Okafor in a middle round...?

sheard's combine numbers are almost identical to lamarr woodley's, except sheard had better 40 and 20 yard dash numbers. their broad jump was nearly identical. his combine and measurements are also quite similar to shaun phillips, who's been a very good 3-4 OLB for the chargers.

oddly enough, sheard averages 2.5 passes defensed per season dropping into coverage from the DE spot, while woodley averages 3. the theory that sheard couldn't switch to a 3-4 OLB doesn't hold a lot of water.

 

[Buckeneye]

I agree their measurements are similar. That doesn't mean
Sheard is as fluid or instinctive in space. I honestly don't believe
He's athletic enough to play the position like Woodley- straight line
Speed be damned.

Woodley also has 5 career interceptions - we'll see if Jabaal has that
ability.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, I just don't see that kind of player.

Oh and 20/40 yard dash means little at this position, otherwise I'm
Pretty sure Vernon Gholston would be a pro-bowler. He was the same
Size. But not as athletic in space.

I'll stop repeating my examples there and we'll see what plays out.

 

[tsteele316]

I agree their measurements are similar. That doesn't mean
Sheard is as fluid or instinctive in space. I honestly don't believe
He's athletic enough to play the position like Woodley- straight line
Speed be damned.

Woodley also has 5 career interceptions - we'll see if Jabaal has that
ability.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, I just don't see that kind of player.

Oh and 20/40 yard dash means little at this position, otherwise I'm
Pretty sure Vernon Gholston would be a pro-bowler. He was the same
Size. But not as athletic in space.

I'll stop repeating my examples there and we'll see what plays out.

and you don't see it based on what? sheard's been fine when dropping from the DE spot. his measurements indicate he has the athletic ability. and he's probably playing at about 10-15 lbs heavier than he would in a 3-4 as he's up to about 270 now.

 

[IronBuckI]

and you don't see it based on what? sheard's been fine when dropping from the DE spot. his measurements indicate he has the athletic ability. and he's probably playing at about 10-15 lbs heavier than he would in a 3-4 as he's up to about 270 now.

If he's up to 270, and we're going to be playing a 1-gap defense, then why would we move him off the line in the first place? I'm not against moving him, but I'm not sure that I see why we would.

 

[Buckeneye]

and you don't see it based on what? sheard's been fine when dropping from the DE spot. his measurements indicate he has the athletic ability. and he's probably playing at about 10-15 lbs heavier than he would in a 3-4 as he's up to about 270 now.

You make it sound like he's dropping into coverage and roaming the field.
When he drops, he usually checks the TE and follows 5-7 yards to the vacated
Spot by the linebacker.

That's about it.

He came in at 255. While I've not doubt he's 260. I don't think he's 270.
I'd live to see his measurables right now.

 

[tsteele316]

You make it sound like he's dropping into coverage and roaming the field.
When he drops, he usually checks the TE and follows 5-7 yards to the vacated
Spot by the linebacker.

That's about it.

He came in at 255. While I've not doubt he's 260. I don't think he's 270.
I'd live to see his measurables right now.

and that's all the coverage responsibilities that either one of phillips or woodely ever have. so, i don't see your point.

 

[Mac]

Plain Dealer reporting we're going to hire Norv Turner as OC

 

[LitlBuck]

if they can get permission from the Chargers he seemed pretty flexible.

"It's funny because I got the same types of questions when I took the [job] in San Diego," John Pagano said. "They said I was a 3-4 guy, but I've coached in a 4-3 and a 3-4. We do multiple fronts and we have multiple looks. Baltimore was a 4-3 and a 3-4. They play those different types of hybrid defenses that really are game-changing types of defenses. Whatever your personnel suits you, you're going to be in certain types of fronts and certain types of coverages whether it's a 3-4 or a 4-3."

He went on to explain, "the biggest difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is that you have a lot more linebackers in a 3-4 and you have a little bit bigger linebackers who can stand up and come off the edge, which are just like 4-3 defensive ends. When you go to a sub package or a nickel package look, our outside linebackers here in San Diego are defensive ends. They are used to standing up and playing with their hands down. I would suggest multiple looks and multiple fronts."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_rob_chudzinsk.html#incart_river

 

[stowfan]

I just watched the opening drive of the AFC playoff game. After a 94 yard kick off return, the Texans run for 2, a receiver has a pass go through his hands, and the QB throws the ball 6 yards over the receiver's head. If that was the Browns, we would be howling.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I just watched the opening drive of the AFC playoff game. After a 94 yard kick off return, the Texans run for 2, a receiver has a pass go through his hands, and the QB throws the ball 6 yards over the receiver's head. If that was the Browns, we would be howling.

Gonna disagree.. As Browns fans we would be happy because we expected a turnover

 

[Buckeneye]

I just watched the opening drive of the AFC playoff game. After a 94 yard kick off return, the Texans run for 2, a receiver has a pass go through his hands, and the QB throws the ball 6 yards over the receiver's head. If that was the Browns, we would be howling.

If that was the Browns then it would be nothing
Short of an absolute miracle to be in the playoffs.

 

[strohs]

I have had an uncomfortable feeling about Jimmy and Joe for a couple of months....hope I am wrong.

Joe I dont know much about, but Haslam I have the complete opposite feeling on. Just listen to his press conferences, the guy is a leader first and foremost. He is exactly what this organization needs...

 

[buckiprof]

Joe I dont know much about, but Haslam I have the complete opposite feeling on. Just listen to his press conferences, the guy is a leader first and foremost. He is exactly what this organization needs...

Agree that Jimmy is a leader. There is a not so fine line between being a leader with a vision and being a Jones/Davis type. That is where my fear lies....he has too much Jones/Davis in him that will manifest as time goes on. I hope I am wrong about that and that he maintains being the leader who charts the course that this franchise has been lacking since 1999.

Banner scares me more and more with each passing day. Report from Jason LaCanfora that Whisenhunt basically said no to the job because Banner told him that he (Whisenhunt) would not be able to assemble his staff, that he (Banner) would have final say in the assembling of the staff. I hear that and shake my head. Really, what head coach would agree to not have final say on his staff.

And that brings me back to Jimmy. Jimmy needs to reign in Banner, IMO, unless that is the model that Jimmy wants to have for the franchise.

 

[Mike80]

Agree that Jimmy is a leader. There is a not so fine line between being a leader with a vision and being a Jones/Davis type. That is where my fear lies....he has too much Jones/Davis in him that will manifest as time goes on. I hope I am wrong about that and that he maintains being the leader who charts the course that this franchise has been lacking since 1999.

Banner scares me more and more with each passing day. Report from Jason LaCanfora that Whisenhunt basically said no to the job because Banner told him that he (Whisenhunt) would not be able to assemble his staff, that he (Banner) would have final say in the assembling of the staff. I hear that and shake my head. Really, what head coach would agree to not have final say on his staff.

And that brings me back to Jimmy. Jimmy needs to reign in Banner, IMO, unless that is the model that Jimmy wants to have for the franchise.

From what I've been reading (and it's very similar to what you've read I think), Banner is a manager type while Haslam is more of a leader. I've been doing some things with the Center for Excellence in Public Leadership at George Washington University and that is one of the big things they harp on - Managers and Leaders and the differences between the two roles.

One of the big things they also hit on is succeeding through others, i.e. letting the people under you succeed with as minimal amount of direction as the situation dictates. Hopefully Haslam and Banner are on the same page....

 

[Buckeneye]

Haslam wants to come across as the man with leadership
Vision. His first mistake was appointing Banner to carry
Out that "vision". It isn't hard to get a read on the man
From just the press conference and personal questions.

Couple Tony Grossi tweets today are bringing scary
Revelation to how many of us feel.

Fact is - there exists a vast difference between being a
Leader of men, then someone that is in charge and believes
Because of that they are a "leader".

I feel Haslam is the latter.