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Cleveland Browns (2018 Season The NFL is Sorry)

Discussion in 'Professional Football' started by NFBuck, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. CFPBuckeye

    CFPBuckeye Turned down a Harbaugh sleepover '17 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    While this may be true, the answer lies somewhere in the middle and that answer is: not a #1 overall pick.
  2. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Oh, I don't know... that sounds just like the Browns to me.
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  3. CFPBuckeye

    CFPBuckeye Turned down a Harbaugh sleepover '17 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    You’re right, I said it. RB VALUE can be had later in the draft. This team needs studs THAT AREN’T as easily found later in the draft.

    Are you telling me that RBs with high talent and production aren’t found later in the draft all the time? As compared to CB, OL and other positions? Before you throw out names of CB and OL and what not that have been drafted later and turned out to be great, it’s the odds and frequency that I’m talking about. The Browns don’t hit on many picks as is, why go after the one position where their chance is greatest of blind squirrel syndrome later?
    kujirakira likes this.
  4. AJHawkfan

    AJHawkfan Wanna make $14 the hard way?

    Admittedly, I have not seen Josh Allen play, but everything I've read says he is a raw, unpolished project. He might be a fine QB someday, provided he gets the opportunity to watch and learn for a year or more before getting thrown to the wolves. I seem to remember much the same things being said about Kizer a year ago.

    I'm thinking that if they're serious about turning things around, they need a guy who can come in and play right away. Anything less than 3 wins will probably get Jackson fired. A new coach will be hired and he'll burn it all down and they'll be starting all over (again) in 2019.

    That said, I believe they should consider Denzel Ward at #1 and Billy Price at #4. Then trade up, get back into the mid-late first round and grab Sam Hubbard. At least that would prove that they're learning from the same mistakes the organization keeps making over and over again.
    kujirakira, OHSportsFan and bukIpower like this.
  5. CFPBuckeye

    CFPBuckeye Turned down a Harbaugh sleepover '17 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    I think they need to really learn and find a QB like Alex Smith in FA to let Mr. Soon to Hate Choosing Pro Football as a Career Path sit behind him and watch for a season.
    kujirakira, buckeyebri and bukIpower like this.
  6. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    As Steele pointed out he was on his back all night but still managed to throw for 300+ yards... Darnold reminds me a great deal of Matthew Stafford and there's no denying this kids talent. He's big, he's more mobile than people give him credit for and of course he has very good arm.

    His knocks are his decision making and if the Browns for once sat their rookie QB for an entire year or two IMO he could become a very good QB.

    As for Barkley? I think he's on the level of a Zeke.. I personally choose Zeke because he is good after contact but Barkley can no doubt be a Fournette, Gurley or Zeke type of impact year 1. Barkley can catch, he's really really sudden, and he's big enough to get a tough yard when needed.

    Bottom line this team needs A LOT. So you take players who are safe IMO and not "projects"... IMO, Barkley is a safe bet to be successful and the Browns could use a whole lot of "successful"
  7. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    That'd be my hope to be honest... Sign Alex Smith before the draft to like a 2 year deal. Then do this in the draft

    1. Barkley
    4. Fitzpatrick
  8. AuTX Buckeye

    AuTX Buckeye Beam me up, Mr. Speaker. Yahoo Pickem Champ Former Game Champion

    I'm laughing a lot at this.
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  9. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye I lead, you follow.

    I don't understand the line of thinking - "has decision making problems"... usually while under pressure.

    As if somehow there will be less pressure playing in the NFL?
  10. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    When is the last time you had a college QB where that wasn't an issue?
  11. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye I lead, you follow.

    Well I bet if you went back and watched tape from Luck, Newton, Wilson...etc etc (i remember watching quite a bit of Wentz )- they were pretty unflappable.
  12. CFPBuckeye

    CFPBuckeye Turned down a Harbaugh sleepover '17 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Most good QBs make you pay for bringing pressure.

    Edit: I will say, without going back and watching again since that night, it seemed like OSU got pressure just from the DL, leaving more men in coverage to make things more difficult. I could be wrong. Still on the “no to Darnold” train.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2018
  13. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    Luck, maybe. Cam Newton was a tuck and run QB, not a good example at all. Wentz was horrible against pressure as a rookie.

    Being bad under pressure is a standard knock on most QBs and is generally a weak argument.
  14. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    Yeah, I just don't know what you could figure out from watching Newton in that offense in that regard. Wilson was in his 4th year starting and was probably 23 years old at Wisconsin...

    None of this is to say that I want Darnold. Hell, I'm not sure I want any of them. But there's a difference between pressure and running for your life.
    LitlBuck likes this.
  15. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri 40 Days in the Hole

    I just don’t see drafting any of theses guys. Browns have spent many a pick, high ones at that, on QBs and all for not. Put me on the Alex Smith bandwagon and give Kizer a chance to learn and grow.

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