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Cleveland Indians (2017 Official Thread of CHOKE)

Discussion in 'Professional Baseball' started by NFBuck, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. LitlBuck

    LitlBuck Kevin Warren is an ass

    Not sure how I feel about paying that much money to someone who had one of his better seasons last season. Is not there another right-handed power hitter that is on the free-agent market that is a little younger and a good clubhouse guy:wink: who might sign for a little bit less.
  2. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    In short, no. Plus you're paying a premium on the qualifying offer because you are only saddled with that contract for one year.
  3. cdiddy70

    cdiddy70 Junior

    How do we feel about not picking up options on Coco, Raji, and Nap?
  4. LordJeffBuck

    LordJeffBuck Illuminatus Emeritus Staff Member Tech Admin Bookie

    Coco is 37, Davis is 36, Napoli is 35. They made a combined $23.35 million last year. Is there any reason to bring back old expensive players at this point?
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  5. exhawg

    exhawg Mirror Guy Staff Member

    Raji is the only one that might be worth the contract that he was due. I wouldn't be against bringing back any of them for the right price. How's Brantley's shoulder? Would be nice if they could find an improvement at 1st over Nap.
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  6. Zippercat

    Zippercat Senior

    Technically the Indians did not have options on Davis or Napoli; the Indians declined to make a qualifying offer to either of them. That means they're both now free agents and if/when they sign with another team the Indians will not get any compensation for losing the free agent(s). The Indians did hold an option for 2017 on Crisp, which they declined and now Crisp is a free agent. No compensation will be due the Indians for the loss of Crisp. I believe that Crisp was entitled to be paid a buyout of about $1M when the 2017 option on him was declined but that Oakland paid that buyout amount to Cleveland as part of the Crisp trade.

    IF the Tribe had made a qualifying offer to Davis and/or Napoli, the player(s) receiving such offer, which would have been in excess of $17M, could have elected to accept the offer and be paid that amount for 2017 (after which this circus is repeated) or the player(s) could have rejeced the qualifying offer and become a free agent, with the Indians entitled to draft pick compensation in next year's Amateur Player Draft.

    I think the Indians made the right decision on all three of these players. Crisp will be replaced by Almonte and will not get an offer for anything near his 2017 option salary with his declining stats. Davis will, hopefully, be replaced by Brantley. Nap at $17M upsets the Indians salary structure too much. They can still sign him for less. Or they'll make another move to find a 1B/DH.
  7. buckeyemania11

    buckeyemania11 HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE!!! Former BPCFFB II Champ '18 Bowl Upset Contest Winner

    I don't think so. I'd probably take Davis back at the right price. Pass on Napoli and Coco though
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  8. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    I'm actually bummed on all three but only because I suspect we aren't going to make any moves in free agency to replace them.

    We really need some pop in our line up and while Napoli struggled in the post season his bat will be missed if we can't replace him
  9. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    I would be willing to sign them to one-year contracts again. It seems most athletes perform better when trying to get a new deal.
  10. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    Did you two go to downer grad school together?

    My bad, "reluctance to feel optimism" academy.

    I read your posts and I want to see if almonte can get me some Dominican prozac
  11. OHSportsFan

    OHSportsFan Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy

    Hey, guys...I kinda miss baseball.
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  12. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    What should I do remain confident that the Indians who have consistently let players go and then not signed significant players to replace them will sign better players? it's called bring realistic.

    Also yeah relying on Naquin and Almonte is a fantastic strategy. I am plenty up beat but when I see any situation that doesn't look good I'm not afraid to call it like it is instead of ignorantly "staying positive"
  13. Mike80

    Mike80 Kevin Warren is a fuckwit

    Look - you're not going to go out and sign Bautista, he's old, he sucks at defense and his bat can't hit good fastballs anymore without jumping out early. Encarnacion is going to get resigned, Trumbo was tendered a qualifying offer so he's probably out.

    You guys have the best pitching staff in the AL. That alone will win the AL Central. Add in some timely hitting and you guys should win between 95-100 games and be in the playoffs again.
  14. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Oh I'm not saying we suck again for not signing the three we just let walk but our goal is to finish what we started id imagine and to do that we need some sticks.

    I never said we had to sign a super star but if we aren't going to upgrade then resign the three we didnt tender that's my point. I'd rather have Nap and his 35 HR then Almonte even if Nap struggled heavily in the playoffs.
  15. Zippercat

    Zippercat Senior

    If the Indians make any free agent moves this off season, recent history tells us to expect it to be more of the dumpster diving variety. Last winter they signed Davis, Napoli, Byrd, Uribe and a couple OFs who never made it to Cleveland for about the cost of one of the qualifying offers they didn't make this week. I think it's reasonable to expect them to try to make similar moves this winter.
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