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Cleveland Indians (2017 Official Thread of CHOKE)

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AKAK said:
Thinking about making the 17.5 mill qualifying offer on Napoli (draft choice preservation, also, since he hit all his incentives he got 10 mill last year plus the 7 mill they paid for what's his balls from Atlanta to go away that they needed to do to get rid of Brohio and Bourn, its really not a budget add if he accepts it.)
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Not sure how I feel about paying that much money to someone who had one of his better seasons last season. Is not there another right-handed power hitter that is on the free-agent market that is a little younger and a good clubhouse guy:wink: who might sign for a little bit less.
 
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LitlBuck said:
Not sure how I feel about paying that much money to someone who had one of his better seasons last season. Is not there another right-handed power hitter that is on the free-agent market that is a little younger and a good clubhouse guy:wink: who might sign for a little bit less.
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In short, no. Plus you're paying a premium on the qualifying offer because you are only saddled with that contract for one year.
 
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cdiddy70 said:
How do we feel about not picking up options on Coco, Raji, and Nap?
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Technically the Indians did not have options on Davis or Napoli; the Indians declined to make a qualifying offer to either of them. That means they're both now free agents and if/when they sign with another team the Indians will not get any compensation for losing the free agent(s). The Indians did hold an option for 2017 on Crisp, which they declined and now Crisp is a free agent. No compensation will be due the Indians for the loss of Crisp. I believe that Crisp was entitled to be paid a buyout of about $1M when the 2017 option on him was declined but that Oakland paid that buyout amount to Cleveland as part of the Crisp trade.

IF the Tribe had made a qualifying offer to Davis and/or Napoli, the player(s) receiving such offer, which would have been in excess of $17M, could have elected to accept the offer and be paid that amount for 2017 (after which this circus is repeated) or the player(s) could have rejeced the qualifying offer and become a free agent, with the Indians entitled to draft pick compensation in next year's Amateur Player Draft.

I think the Indians made the right decision on all three of these players. Crisp will be replaced by Almonte and will not get an offer for anything near his 2017 option salary with his declining stats. Davis will, hopefully, be replaced by Brantley. Nap at $17M upsets the Indians salary structure too much. They can still sign him for less. Or they'll make another move to find a 1B/DH.
 
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I'm actually bummed on all three but only because I suspect we aren't going to make any moves in free agency to replace them.

We really need some pop in our line up and while Napoli struggled in the post season his bat will be missed if we can't replace him
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
I don't think so. I'd probably take Davis back at the right price. Pass on Napoli and Coco though
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bukIpower said:
I'm actually bummed on all three but only because I suspect we aren't going to make any moves in free agency to replace them.

We really need some pop in our line up and while Napoli struggled in the post season his bat will be missed if we can't replace him
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Did you two go to downer grad school together?

My bad, "reluctance to feel optimism" academy.

I read your posts and I want to see if almonte can get me some Dominican prozac
 
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AKAK said:
Did you two go to downer grad school together?

My bad, "reluctance to feel optimism" academy.

I read your posts and I want to see if almonte can get me some Dominican prozac
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What should I do remain confident that the Indians who have consistently let players go and then not signed significant players to replace them will sign better players? it's called bring realistic.

Also yeah relying on Naquin and Almonte is a fantastic strategy. I am plenty up beat but when I see any situation that doesn't look good I'm not afraid to call it like it is instead of ignorantly "staying positive"
 
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bukIpower said:
What should I do remain confident that the Indians who have consistently let players go and then not signed significant players to replace them will sign better players? it's called bring realistic.

Also yeah relying on Naquin and Almonte is a fantastic strategy. I am plenty up beat but when I see any situation that doesn't look good I'm not afraid to call it like it is instead of ignorantly "staying positive"
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Look - you're not going to go out and sign Bautista, he's old, he sucks at defense and his bat can't hit good fastballs anymore without jumping out early. Encarnacion is going to get resigned, Trumbo was tendered a qualifying offer so he's probably out.

You guys have the best pitching staff in the AL. That alone will win the AL Central. Add in some timely hitting and you guys should win between 95-100 games and be in the playoffs again.
 
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Mike80 said:
Look - you're not going to go out and sign Bautista, he's old, he sucks at defense and his bat can't hit good fastballs anymore without jumping out early. Encarnacion is going to get resigned, Trumbo was tendered a qualifying offer so he's probably out.

You guys have the best pitching staff in the AL. That alone will win the AL Central. Add in some timely hitting and you guys should win between 95-100 games and be in the playoffs again.
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Oh I'm not saying we suck again for not signing the three we just let walk but our goal is to finish what we started id imagine and to do that we need some sticks.

I never said we had to sign a super star but if we aren't going to upgrade then resign the three we didnt tender that's my point. I'd rather have Nap and his 35 HR then Almonte even if Nap struggled heavily in the playoffs.
 
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bukIpower said:
I'm actually bummed on all three but only because I suspect we aren't going to make any moves in free agency to replace them.

We really need some pop in our line up and while Napoli struggled in the post season his bat will be missed if we can't replace him
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If the Indians make any free agent moves this off season, recent history tells us to expect it to be more of the dumpster diving variety. Last winter they signed Davis, Napoli, Byrd, Uribe and a couple OFs who never made it to Cleveland for about the cost of one of the qualifying offers they didn't make this week. I think it's reasonable to expect them to try to make similar moves this winter.
 
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