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Cleveland Indians (2017 Official Thread of CHOKE)

Discussion in 'Professional Baseball' started by NFBuck, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. NorthCoastKid

    NorthCoastKid Senior

    My mind does, but my heart certainly does not :lol:
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  2. JCOSU86

    JCOSU86 Go Bucks! Staff Member

    Agree. Nap has nothing left in the tank, I'm afraid.
  3. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    Cleveland will move on to the next batch of reclamation projects to hope to get lightening in a bottle. Folks forget the failures that were marlon Byrd and Juan uribe this year.
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  4. BA84

    BA84 Rookie

    I think they bring Naps back just because Terry loves the guy. That doesn't mean he'll play a lot but I think he will be on the Team. Some how the Tribe has to make up for the 34HRs and 101 RBIs gone from the offense.
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  5. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    Why would they remember? You could have Colin Cowgilled us at least.

    The point of having a core group that progresses together is precisely so you can add short term pieces as necessary.
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  6. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    except that is not a sustainable method. throwing a handful of chips down on a few different numbers on the blackjack table isn't a viable long term winning strategy. i'm not saying they should have kept napoli on a long term deal or anything, but he's likely to be the best short term option they could realistically get if they are in bargain shopping mode. they can cobble together an outfield with the options they have. but they have no 1b/dh options anywhere on the horizon and the free agency class is utter garbage to the point that even bargain bin reclamation projects are going to be out of the indians price range.

    Not to go all BN11 here, but there are so many guys on this roster ripe for a regression year that thinking they can simply stand pat, get brantley back, and carry on like they aren't going to miss a beat is a dangerous strategy. There's not a lot of evidence that santana will hit 30 plus dongs, or kipnis will stay healthy and give you a .280 and 20 again. I mean Jose Ramirez has been a middling .220 guy for his career, but is expected to go over .300 again?

    We all know Chisenhall will never touch .280 again, and Naquin fell apart badly in the 2nd half. Will all those things happen? Probably not. But this script does bare a lot of similarities to 2006, 2008, and 2013. I do think this pitching staff top to bottom is better than those years, but expecting a full season of carrasco and salazar that resembled their 3 month stretch in early 2016 is still rolling the dice.
  7. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Preseason misery reads much better in the Reds thread....

    Just sayin
  8. buckeyemania11

    buckeyemania11 HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE!!! Former BPCFFB II Champ '18 Bowl Upset Contest Winner

    Well considering Napoli's last month of the season + playoffs and Cocos age and obvious decline in play. Is it really being a downer to not want to bring them back?
  9. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    Yeah, obviously the danger here is cobbling together enough offense to win the division again. I get it. Ramirez, I dunno why but I'm not all that worried, he's 24. Will he hit 300? Probably not... but think of the basket of deplorables at 3rd since Casey Blake. As for health, you can only contingency plan around that. And I think we've learned about the pitching staff and workload. Tomlin shouldn't have been pitching that much in the postseason but he adjusted his approach at the end and would be a nice #5 in the regular season and I think there will be less fear having Merritt pick up starts and I think clevinger just need to learn to pitch.

    If we felt ok about Brantley I think we would all feel better, it's easy to forget how good that guy is.

    As for Santana and Napoli I have similar reservations but if they both are back I'd like to see a more even split at 1B and when Napoli is in one of his funks, maybe move him out of that 4 spot. But that's probably back to Brantley.
  10. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    Coco was a stop gap. I would prefer someone other than Napoli but, that person is yet to be identified.
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  11. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    This is what I was afraid of with the Indians. It's right there for the taking for the Indians if they find a way to improve from last year but IMO we have seen time and again the Tribe let players walk which sets them back.

    The young pieces are there if we just put a couple solid players around them. Those young players end up getting traded though when we sit 10.5 games out of first in July and they're under performing.

    News flash front office the fans aren't going to come watch the games (like they've been doing for years) if the team is always banking on a young Nucleus of players.

    Players like Nap and coco are great for the young players. You need a few reliable vets to lead the way
  12. LitlBuck

    LitlBuck Kevin Warren is an ass

    I do not understand why you are getting on the front office already for not re-signing Nap when you really cannot start negotiating with other players or even to a certain extent with your own free agents. $17 mil is a hell of a lot of money for a guy that is not getting any younger. Let him test the free-agent market and see what he commands. I highly doubt anybody is going to give him $17 mil and if we can save a little money on his contract that leaves room to pick up a guy like Coco at the end of the season. I certainly do not want to give Coco a new contract now when he is pretty much over the hill. I would like to re-sign Davis but at about the same or lower price tag which he had this year. About $5-$6 mil would seem to be a good figure for him. I just do not understand the big rush on your part. Let us see what is available because you know that Dolan is not made out of money when it comes to the Indians.
  13. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member Tech Admin

    It could be a fuck load worse, we could be needing frontline pitching out of this shit show free agent pool.
  14. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    No I'm saying if they are eventually not signed and we decide to go in a different direction.

    That's what had me a bit anxious. if they go in a different direction they have to have the potential to do what Nap did or we will have trouble making up that production
  15. ArmyVet83

    ArmyVet83 Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!

    Here is some bullshit to chew on. They are going to trade for Votto!

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