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Coaching changes: coaches hired and fired, comings and goings

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NFBuck said:
What a tire fire that program is. How many coaches is this post-Carroll?

Freshwater
Sarkisian
Helton (part 1)
Oregeron
Helton (part 2)
Donte Williams (who?)

They should have fired Helton 2 years ago...hell, they never should have hired him. :lol:

What do all of those guys have in common? All a part of the Carroll coaching tree. Might want to clip that, it isn't bearing fruit.
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Me thinks the media is on to the fact that USC and Okie hold the NCAA record for program "corrections." The President's office must be a long way from the football coach's
 
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Is LSU or USC the Better Job?

Plus, four murky Power 5 situations that could be the next to open up on the coaching market.

USC (12). The historical view: seven national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1962, ’67, ’72, ’74 (split with Oklahoma), ’78 (split with Alabama), 2003 (split with LSU), ’04. Number of coaches who have won national championships: three (John McKay, John Robinson, Pete Carroll). Conference championships: 39, spanning from 1927 to 2017.

LSU (13). The historical view: four national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1958 (split with Iowa), 2003 (split with USC), ’07, ’19. Number of coaches who have won national championships: four (Paul Dietzel, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Ed Orgeron). Conference championships: 16, spanning from 1896 to 2019.

Entire article: https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/18/lsu-usc-football-job-coaching-comparison

Job security: advantage USC, by a mile. I agree.

Pay: advantage LSU. But who’s counting? Both places will make rich men richer. That's a draw.

Access to the College Football Playoff: In a four-team world, advantage LSU. I'll say it's USC, they in the PAC-12 South (i.e. easier to win conference championship); not the SEC West. Pete Carroll's USC teams were perennial contenders for the National Championship.

Recruiting: advantage LSU. USC again. California is loaded with 5 star recruits and I'll say much more NIL $$$ opportunities too.

Quality of life: advantage USC. There is no beach in Baton Rouge. That's depends on each person, both locations have advantages and disadvantages.

One not listed...Academics and career opportunities (other than the NFL) from school's degree and school location after football. I'll say that is USC too.

Anyway, I'll say USC is the best job between the two schools.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Is LSU or USC the Better Job?

Plus, four murky Power 5 situations that could be the next to open up on the coaching market.

USC (12). The historical view: seven national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1962, ’67, ’72, ’74 (split with Oklahoma), ’78 (split with Alabama), 2003 (split with LSU), ’04. Number of coaches who have won national championships: three (John McKay, John Robinson, Pete Carroll). Conference championships: 39, spanning from 1927 to 2017.

LSU (13). The historical view: four national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1958 (split with Iowa), 2003 (split with USC), ’07, ’19. Number of coaches who have won national championships: four (Paul Dietzel, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Ed Orgeron). Conference championships: 16, spanning from 1896 to 2019.

Entire article: https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/18/lsu-usc-football-job-coaching-comparison

Job security: advantage USC, by a mile. I agree.

Pay: advantage LSU. But who’s counting? Both places will make rich men richer. That's a draw.

Access to the College Football Playoff: In a four-team world, advantage LSU. I'll say it's USC, they in the PAC-12 South (i.e. easier to win conference championship); not the SEC West. Pete Carroll's USC teams were perennial contenders for the National Championship.

Recruiting: advantage LSU. USC again. California is loaded with 5 star recruits and I'll say much more NIL $$$ opportunities too.

Quality of life: advantage USC. There is no beach in Baton Rouge. That's depends on each person, both locations have advantages and disadvantages.

One not listed...Academics and career opportunities (other than the NFL) from school's degree and school location after football. I'll say that is USC too.

Anyway, I'll say USC is the best job between the two schools.
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I'll disagree with USC being the better job. Sure, SoCal has plenty of talent to recruit, but LSU has a very good local base and can also dip their toes into Texas and the rest of the south. I'd give them a pretty good advantage there. Also, USC, aside from the Petey-era (and you can bet a lot of that was ill-gotten) has been a fringe top-25 program for most of them last 40 years. LSU has won 3 Natty's with 3 different coaches in the last 18 years. It's a lot easier to win in Baton Rouge than USC.
 
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NFBuck said:
I'll disagree with USC being the better job. Sure, SoCal has plenty of talent to recruit, but LSU has a very good local base and can also dip their toes into Texas and the rest of the south. I'd give them a pretty good advantage there. Also, USC, aside from the Petey-era (and you can bet a lot of that was ill-gotten) has been a fringe top-25 program for most of them last 40 years. LSU has won 3 Natty's with 3 different coaches in the last 18 years. It's a lot easier to win in Baton Rouge than USC.
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Yeah, but the stars were aligned just right for those 3 National Championships:

2003: Nick Saban was the coach
2007: Les Miles, it was Saban's 1st year at Alabama, besides Ohio State should have won.....:biggrin2:
2019: Ed Orgeron just got real lucky in the transfer portal (the same year) that he had a few really good assistant coaches.

The stuff that Petey pulled at USC could easily be legal under NIL now. A National Championship for USC doesn't go through Tuscaloosa like one for LSU would. USC is a "National brand". Under Carroll, USC did have the majority of their recruits from CA; however, they did successfully recruit nationally too. I do remember that they did get a 5 star receiver from Ohio (i.e. Fred Davis) that Ohio State really wanted. Besides it doesn't matter where the recruits come from, just so you get a top class, which Petey did:

2001: #20 class
2002: #8 class
2003: #2 class
2004: #2 class
2005: #1 class
2006: #1 class
2007: #2 class
2008: #4 class
2009: #2 class
2010: #3 class (Pete Carrol left USC on 11 Jan 2010 but probably still had recruited most of them)
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Is LSU or USC the Better Job?

Plus, four murky Power 5 situations that could be the next to open up on the coaching market.

USC (12). The historical view: seven national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1962, ’67, ’72, ’74 (split with Oklahoma), ’78 (split with Alabama), 2003 (split with LSU), ’04. Number of coaches who have won national championships: three (John McKay, John Robinson, Pete Carroll). Conference championships: 39, spanning from 1927 to 2017.

LSU (13). The historical view: four national championships since the AP poll era began in 1936. The years: 1958 (split with Iowa), 2003 (split with USC), ’07, ’19. Number of coaches who have won national championships: four (Paul Dietzel, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Ed Orgeron). Conference championships: 16, spanning from 1896 to 2019.

Entire article: https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/18/lsu-usc-football-job-coaching-comparison

Job security: advantage USC, by a mile. I agree.

Pay: advantage LSU. But who’s counting? Both places will make rich men richer. That's a draw.

Access to the College Football Playoff: In a four-team world, advantage LSU. I'll say it's USC, they in the PAC-12 South (i.e. easier to win conference championship); not the SEC West. Pete Carroll's USC teams were perennial contenders for the National Championship.

Recruiting: advantage LSU. USC again. California is loaded with 5 star recruits and I'll say much more NIL $$$ opportunities too.

Quality of life: advantage USC. There is no beach in Baton Rouge. That's depends on each person, both locations have advantages and disadvantages.

One not listed...Academics and career opportunities (other than the NFL) from school's degree and school location after football. I'll say that is USC too.

Anyway, I'll say USC is the best job between the two schools.
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LSU ponies up money more so than USC.

easier to get into LSU than USC, also no other in state schools to compete with.

also (in current state of football), LSU will get the benefit of doubt over USC if both have similar records for last playoff spot. fair or not is a different argument.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Yeah, but the stars were aligned just right for those 3 National Championships:

2003: Nick Saban was the coach
2007: Les Miles, it was Saban's 1st year at Alabama, besides Ohio State should have won.....:biggrin2:
2019: Ed Orgeron just got real lucky in the transfer portal (the same year) that he had a few really good assistant coaches.

The stuff that Petey pulled at USC could easily be legal under NIL now. A National Championship for USC doesn't go through Tuscaloosa like one for LSU would. USC is a "National brand". Under Carroll, USC did have the majority of their recruits from CA; however, they did successfully recruit nationally too. I do remember that they did get a 5 star receiver from Ohio (i.e. Fred Davis) that Ohio State really wanted. Besides it doesn't matter where the recruits come from, just so you get a top class, which Petey did:

2001: #20 class
2002: #8 class
2003: #2 class
2004: #2 class
2005: #1 class
2006: #1 class
2007: #2 class
2008: #4 class
2009: #2 class
2010: #3 class (Pete Carrol left USC on 11 Jan 2010 but probably still had recruited most of them)
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Ed fucking Orgeron won a natty at LSU.

think about that for half a second the. tell me which school is easier to win at.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
LSU ponies up money more so than USC.
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Probably and undoubtedly Baton Rouge has a lot lower state and city tax rates, less crime, less pollution, and less traffic congestion, etc. than LA. But like the guy that wrote the original article said; "But who’s counting? Both places will make rich men richer."

Nutriaitch said:
easier to get into LSU than USC, also no other in state schools to compete with.
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Higher academic standards strengthens my argument that a degree from USC is better than one from LSU.

Nutriaitch said:
LSU will get the benefit of doubt over USC if both have similar records for last playoff spot. fair or not is a different argument.
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Maybe, but USC's SOS will depend on how good the PAC-12 teams are on a given year; however, they always play a team rated in the top ten at the beginning of the season, i.e. Notre Dame....:lol:
 
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