College Playoff

[Jeffcat]

against scum? no. but my question to you is this. do you think tressel would do so for a game against say... purdue or illinois should we already have a spot in the playoffs locked up?

doubtful considering if he WERE going to use that strategy he would have already used it in the current day to keep everybody rested and healthy for the scum game.

 

[wells]

...too many typos I'll save my post for a rainy day....

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

against scum? no. but my question to you is this. do you think tressel would do so for a game against say... purdue or illinois should we already have a spot in the playoffs locked up?

Although you included this comment in your quote of me, you must not have comprehended it: "Everyone wants to win as many games as possible to get the highest possible playoff seeding and homefield advantage." Tressel wants to win the conference title along with the national title, and as such will try to win every game he can...not to mention getting the highest possible playoff seed and homefield advantage.

 

[23Skidoo]

Although you included this comment in your quote of me, you must not have comprehended it: "Everyone wants to win as many games as possible to get the highest possible playoff seeding and homefield advantage." Tressel wants to win the conference title along with the national title, and as such will try to win every game he can...not to mention getting the highest possible playoff seed and homefield advantage.

That works great for conferences such as ours (and the P10 and BE), but in the other 3 (w/CCGs) you would find a lot of games being bs'd at the end of the season. i.e.: Arkansas could have lost 90-0 against LSU and was still a lock for the CCG. If they were guaranteed a shot at everything as a conference champ, they would have rested a lot during that game and played very vanilla. The same goes for the other CCG-ridden conferences.
The SEC issue of playing cupcakes OOC and never going more than a state away would only be encouraged as well. We'd see this kind of behavior from everyone. Right now it's a dog-eat-dog world, and I prefer it that way.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

That works great for conferences such as ours (and the P10 and BE), but in the other 3 (w/CCGs) you would find a lot of games being bs'd at the end of the season. i.e.: Arkansas could have lost 90-0 against LSU and was still a lock for the CCG.

You obviously don't understand the selection process, as it is done for I-AA, II, and III. Let's say that Ark took a snooze after they knew they were going into the SEC title game. Even if they won the SEC title game, they selection committee would penalize them for their lackluster showing--heavily if that lackluster game was a loss. The only thing that a conference title would do is guarantee you a spot in the playoffs...seeding is a whole different story. And if Ark indeed got drilled in the game before the SEC title game because they slacked off and rested starters, and then lost the title game, they probably wouldn't even get selected for the field of 16 because of that intentional letdown. So I doubt that any team with a half decent coaching staff would intentionally slack off once they felt they were in the playoffs.

 

[23Skidoo]

You obviously don't understand the selection process, as it is done for I-AA, II, and III. Let's say that Ark took a snooze after they knew they were going into the SEC title game. Even if they won the SEC title game, they selection committee would penalize them for their lackluster showing--heavily if that lackluster game was a loss. The only thing that a conference title would do is guarantee you a spot in the playoffs...seeding is a whole different story. And if Ark indeed got drilled in the game before the SEC title game because they slacked off and rested starters, and then lost the title game, they probably wouldn't even get selected for the field of 16 because of that intentional letdown. So I doubt that any team with a half decent coaching staff would intentionally slack off once they felt they were in the playoffs.

You're right that I know nothing about DIAA/DII/DIII playoffs. I never claimed to, nor is that really the discussion. While we're on it though, I'll say that a 16-team playoff is rather ridiculous, IMO.
And if you're going to have a selection committee select less than say 4-8 teams, how is that really any different than the current BCS system?
As for the resting of players, we could go round the table all day on that. But I don't think it's arguable that games would be less exciting when there is far less on the line. And if these seeds don't involve home-field advantage (in which case, I would have to assume you're in favor of throwing the bowls away), then what good does a "seed" really do you? Near as I can tell, there is not a sizable difference in talent between 3 and 4, 5 and 8, nor 9 and 16.

 

[WolverineTX]

Hey, why just argue in favor of a playoff when you can waste tax dollars doing it?

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2006-SR-0166

Senate Resolution 0166 (2006)

Sponsors Mark Schauer - (primary)
Mike Bishop

A resolution to urge the National Collegiate Athletic Association to develop a playoff system to determine its Division I-A football championship in order to protect the integrity of public investment in university athletics.
Last Action: 12/7/2006 - REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

The text of the resolution isn't available at the time of this posting.

Story link

LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- Still angry over Michigan's exclusion from the BCS national title football game, a pair of state lawmakers are calling for a playoff system.
Sens. Mark Schauer and Mike Bishop, the incoming Democratic and Republican leaders of the Senate, say subjectivity should be removed from a process that has financial and emotional repercussions. The pro-playoff resolution they introduced Thursday is purely symbolic.


"The BCS system is clearly not working and consumers in Michigan and around the country are paying a very real price," said Schauer, D-Battle Creek.


He said the University of Michigan will lose out on at least $10 million for going to the Rose Bowl instead of the BCS championship game, along with a possible rise in enrollment and merchandise sales that come with a national title. One-loss Florida edged out one-loss Michigan for the No. 2 ranking and the chance to face undefeated Ohio State Jan. 8.


Bishop, a Rochester Republican and Michigan graduate, said the BCS "failed miserably" and a playoff is needed to prevent future "injustices."

 

[akronbuck]

You're right that I know nothing about DIAA/DII/DIII playoffs. I never claimed to, nor is that really the discussion. While we're on it though, I'll say that a 16-team playoff is rather ridiculous, IMO.
And if you're going to have a selection committee select less than say 4-8 teams, how is that really any different than the current BCS system?
As for the resting of players, we could go round the table all day on that. But I don't think it's arguable that games would be less exciting when there is far less on the line. And if these seeds don't involve home-field advantage (in which case, I would have to assume you're in favor of throwing the bowls away), then what good does a "seed" really do you? Near as I can tell, there is not a sizable difference in talent between 3 and 4, 5 and 8, nor 9 and 16.

if its so ridiculous for the big boys to do it then please explain why everyother playoff system in college works for those non-schollie student/athletes but, wouldn't work for D. 1.

If its so bad cut the 12 schedule to 10 before, the playoffs but, thats kinda funny that the youngstown state and mount unions can do it.

 

[Best Buckeye]

if its so ridiculous for the big boys to do it then please explain why everyother playoff system in college works for those non-schollie student/athletes but, wouldn't work for D. 1.

If its so bad cut the 12 schedule to 10 before, the playoffs but, thats kinda funny that the youngstown state and mount unions can do it.

Two thimgs prevent a Playoff. Lentgh of game schedule and...
M O N E Y. CA-CHING
Until those two are resolved, which may be impossible, You can forget any playoff. :( :(

 

[akronbuck]

Two thimgs prevent a Playoff. Lentgh of game schedule and...
M O N E Y. CA-CHING
Until those two are resolved, which may be impossible, You can forget any playoff. :( :(

worse part about it is that the COLLEGE Presidents make the decisions about college football and most of them never played PEE WEE SPORTS. The money situation could be worked out somehow. First game of playoffs at higher rank team stadium or one of those joke bowl games like in Taliban Detoit

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

As has been said before, it's not about the money. It's about who controls the money. And the people in control of whether we get a play-off have at least a modicum of control of the money under the current system. They would have to maintain control of the money for any play-off model to be accepted.

Beyond that, I'm not all that interested in the discussion. Do I favor a playoff. Yes. But I realize that there is a trade-off, so if we never get one in my lifetime; I'm ok with that. I also realize that there is a good possibility that the play-off system that is implemented might actually make things worse. Don't put it past them to destroy the parts of the game that we love without giving us the best of what a playoff could offer.

Just number me among those who will examine any serious play-off proposal very seriously before lending it my support. or not.

I'm not expecting a serious proposal to come over the transom any time soon.

 

[akronbuck]

archie griffin was on mike@mike saying he would like a playoff system somehow with the bowls involved.

little mike was teasing griffin about being only 5'8 and taller then him. It was really funny.

Griffin stuck up for scum against florida

 

[23Skidoo]

if its so ridiculous for the big boys to do it then please explain why everyother playoff system in college works for those non-schollie student/athletes but, wouldn't work for D. 1.

If its so bad cut the 12 schedule to 10 before, the playoffs but, thats kinda funny that the youngstown state and mount unions can do it.

I've read this a couple of times and still yet to figure out what it has to do with my post that you quoted? I'll take my best shot though.

16 teams is ridiculous, to me, because if somebody told me Rutgers, VT, Wake Forest, WVU, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and ND deserved a shot at the NC -- I'd have a real hard time not laughing in their face.

 

[Jaxbuck]

For clarification on my point regarding resting starters.

-Depending on the seeding/format a team could easily be "maxed out". Not neccessarily for #1 but say for the final spot. Maybe a team knows its already in but also knows its not getting a home game.

-Also consider instances like in The Game this year. What if teams start to see the game getting out of hand and just start pulling starters because they'll still make the playoffs but probably can't win that particular late season game? The entire dynamic of whos' #2 this year changes if tsun gets beat by 10+ points.

Essentially no matter the format you can't see all the possible scenario's ahead of time but you can see every sport that has a well established playoff system also has a less meaningful regular season.

My point still remains that some degree of harm will be done to the regular season if you go to a playoff. To what degree is the question no one will have the answer to unless a playoff is actually implemented.

I personally think they could make the current BCS work a shitload better if they would simply do away with preseason polls and do a better job with them during the regular season. Dramatic improvement right at our fingertips without a huge amount of fundamental change.

 

[23Skidoo]

I personally think they could make the current BCS work a shitload better if they would simply do away with preseason polls and do a better job with them during the regular season. Dramatic improvement right at our fingertips without a huge amount of fundamental change.

I couldn't agree more. The other big tweak I'd like to see, is the "computers" be more transparent. Whether the UPI should be transparent is up to debate -- but there is no reason in hell that the computers should be as unverifiable as they are.
All it should take is a spreadsheet or program that you can DL, enter what teams played who and won, and everyone should be able to get the same results. Somehow I doubt that would happen w/Sagarin this year.