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Concussions, CTE, and other traumatic brain injuries in football

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Redhawk, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. Redhawk

    Redhawk All-American

    Dead athletes' brains show damage from concussions - CNN.com

    Surprise.
     
  2. Mac

    Mac That's a pain in the buns

    Haven't they been preaching this for the past 20+ years?
     
  3. Oneshot

    Oneshot Goes For Three

    6 out of 6... Jesus christ...
     
  4. Bleed S & G

    Bleed S & G Taking Crazy Pills

    Beanie is still a pussy. :tongue2:

    (Sorry, I had to say it before someone called me out)
     
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  5. The Columbus Dispatch - News
    kind of interesting. not much that the avid fan doesnt know. however i find it odd that the casual fan doesnt understand the results of a concussion. post concussion syndrome can last days, weeks even months. as a hockey and football fan you see it a lot, it ruins careers. and even further lives. advances have gone a long way in better head equipment, though to some respect that has led to more "reckless" use of the head as a weapon. weve seen better diagnosis and implementation of impact testing. however that is only part of it.

    i might be in a slim group to glad to see the big ten has shown willingness to crack down on headshots. while i realize it is a contact sport football (and hockey) can both be played with headhunting. on the other hand you have to protect the players (to some extent) while allowing a physical contest to persist. its a fine line, and i think be it delany (in the b10) or campbell [bettman] (in the nhl) significant but not vindictive punishment occur. in both sports id like to see a few more of the no doubt dirty/late/high and intent to injure type hits/shots be brought to light. i for one applaud delany for his willingness to not stand firm on a kid who was in the wrong, one who was second team all conference, and not hide cowardly behind that. while some may call delany's actions spurious, i do not. at this point, the one thing moving forward will be consistency of the rules and consistent application.


    Post-concussion syndrome - MayoClinic.com
    ImPACT Test
     
  6. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    I stand with JO4H. Let them at it, but protect the scholar athletes from cheap shots to the head that cripple them for life.
     
  7. martinss01

    martinss01 blissfully stupid

    im all for protecting the player. but at some point we need to remember that this is a contact sport. you almost need to throw the flag based on intent. helmet to helmet in and of itself really shouldn't be a penalty. lets be honest with ourselves here, it happens ON EVERY PLAY. where do you think those dings, scratches and other colors on the helmets are coming from?? if you have helmet to helmet contact where the player leads with his facemask its pretty clear the player is simply trying to make a play and not trying to hurt someone. anytime you hit someone with the crown of your helmet your doing it wrong and im fine with that being a penalty. but before you can throw a flag you need to not only be able to explain what the player did wrong, but you also need to have an answer for what the player should have done. if you don't have both, its not a penalty in my book.

    if we continue the way we are were only a few years away from playing flag football. coleman's hit and the msu hit are perfect examples of this. neither play was dead and if the offensive player had fallen forward he would have been given the extra yardage. but because the defensive player hit him... well thats a penalty. what are you supposed to tell the guys playing defense in that situation? the play isn't dead, the offensive player is still struggling for yardage but you can't touch him? you have to what? wait to see if he breaks free from the tackle? do you have to give him 2 seconds to regain his balance as well? does he have to see you before you can make contact? wouldn't want to blind side him and hit a "defensless player". we're already to the point where its illegal to make contact within 2 yards of the sidelines.
     
  8. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I watched that game today - the ref signaled a dead ball penalty when the MSU guy hit the TSUN receiver that was wrapped up but still struggling for yardage.

    With that signal, there must have been a whistle before the hit. Then I understand the penalty - there were two guys hanging onto the receiver, and a judgment that forward progress was stopped would have been reasonable. I couldn't hear a whistle, but if the dead ball signal was a correct one, then that call is understandable.
     
  9. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    I cannot imagine there was a whistle. I couldn't hear one either, and the WR is still fighting for yards, suggesting to me that if there was a whistle it was all but simultaneous with the hit.
     
  10. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I'm not trying to say the Spartan made a bad play. I'm just stating that according to the signal given, the refs apparently considered it to be a late hit, and not a helmet-to-helmet infraction, which is the main thrust of this thread.

    Heck, I was still fired up when I saw the flag today - but after seeing the 'dead ball' signal, I calmed down some. :wink2:
     
  11. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Gotcha.
     
  12. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    Much like the advancements in the treatment of players with possible back and neck injuries, it is rather impossible to argue that adapting the rules and the medical treatment to recent advances in knowledge and technology isn't a good and necessary thing. Players like Adam Taliaferro would have been paralyzed even 10 years before he was hurt, so every success story like his reminds everyone that the health of athletes is of the utmost importance.

    All that said, they players were helmets to protect their heads, and can't possible avoid hitting another player with it when making a hit of any kind. Can you imagine telling a linebacker "Yeah, there's Brandon Jacobs, all 260 pounds of him...go tackle him, but make sure you don't touch him with your helmet". Impossible. Spearing is vile, dangerous (moreso for the spearer than the spearee, actually), and has no place in the game. Understanding the consequences of concussions can also easily lead us to try and eliminate "headhunting" as much as possible as well. However, collisions happen, even head to head collisions, and it will be more dangerous for the players if they are hitting and tackling awkwardly to try and avoid that than to use the same fundamentals they've been taught since they started playing. I agree with eliminating head-hunting, but I think they've gone too far in cracking down on hits on supposedly defenseless players and routine QB hits myself.
     
  13. Sportsbuck28

    Sportsbuck28 Here comes the BOOM

    One of my buddies just had his third concussion the other week in the past two years, and he was a guy with a college scholarship that he's having to turn down because of them.

    Another one is still playing college ball as a freshman this year, and he's had an untold amount of concussions, at least four confirmed.
     

  14. maybe im alone, im not saying "blow to the head" as just a typical generic play. my reference to originally "headshots" and then narrowed that to "headhunting." personally their is no clear demarcation of "headhunting" rather often times it is difficult to decipher. that being said often times hits are clearly malicious in nature. this isnt about the run of the mill token call. my reference is to the blatant intent to injure. not the sisification of the game, let them play, let them hit. but theirs an element that i cant stand.


    im not talking garden variety hits. or hard hits. im talking dirty hits, malicious hits.

    i was at the game, i called colemans hit dirty at the time. im probably alone on that one. i when i rewatch it im not sure. hard to say suspension or not. but if thats the rule applied across the board then fine. id be fired up if pryor took that hit... toss in colemans reaction. open actual review of it, well i dunno.

    but i will say that their is a malicious level that should and needs to be called.


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PTEr78pcs]YouTube - Kurt Coleman commits flagrant penalty vs. Illinois[/ame]
     
  15. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    Tebow doesn't get concussed, he just takes breaks to talk with His Father.
     

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