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Concussions, CTE, and other traumatic brain injuries in football

I've had 2 concussions and they are the worst pain I've ever felt. Although the second was worse than the first (symptoms about 2 weeks long, the second one had lasting effects (a month). My second one, I would get a surging pain in my head (about 3 times a day) that hurt so bad, that it felt like my head was going to explode. If that wasn't enough the pain would be so unbearable that my vision would go black and I would collapse to my knees and this would last for about 30 seconds.

Concussions aren't something to joke about, however, I don't think that QB's or anyone should get preferential treatment when it comes to Personal fouls. They know that the game they are playing is dangerous, and they know the risk. The personal foul calls for QB's is starting to get out of hand IMO. Coleman's sure it was a personal foul for hitting the guy in the head, I have no problem with that, but the personal foul against Baltimore this past weekend against Tom Brady just shows that Goodell and others are afraid to let someone get "hit" if thats the word you want to call it.
 
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BB73;1560729; said:
I watched that game today - the ref signaled a dead ball penalty when the MSU guy hit the TSUN receiver that was wrapped up but still struggling for yardage.

assuming the whistle wasn't blown/couldn't be heard or was delayed for some reason and the official used hand signals to end the play. in that specific case what would you tell your defense to prevent them from being called for that penalty in the future?

jimotis4heisman;1560797; said:
i was at the game, i called colemans hit dirty at the time. im probably alone on that one. i when i rewatch it im not sure. hard to say suspension or not. but if thats the rule applied across the board then fine. id be fired up if pryor took that hit... toss in colemans reaction. open actual review of it, well i dunno.

if coleman's hit is a gray area for you. what about the wisky players hit on boom last year? not only was it away from the ball and a blind side shot. it was obviously not enough for a penalty let alone a suspension.

but i will say that their is a malicious level that should and needs to be called.

agree 100%. there are malicious hits going on. but you need to address those specific hits either during the game or after if it was missed by the refs. you can't handcuff every defense across the nation because one kid on one team plays dirty.
 
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martinss01;1561356; said:
assuming the whistle wasn't blown/couldn't be heard or was delayed for some reason and the official used hand signals to end the play. in that specific case what would you tell your defense to prevent them from being called for that penalty in the future?

In my mind, that Spartan made a good football play. I'd tell him the same thing he probably heard before that game - play hard, hit the guy with the ball until you hear the whistle, but don't lead with the crown of your helmet.

If the refs want to protect players, they need to blow the whistle loud and clear when a guy's held up in a pile. No way can a player be expected to not hit somebody because a ref in his peripheral vision is waving his arms.
 
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BB73;1561375; said:
In my mind, that Spartan made a good football play. I'd tell him the same thing he probably heard before that game - play hard, hit the guy with the ball until you hear the whistle, but don't lead with the crown of your helmet.

If the refs want to protect players, they need to blow the whistle loud and clear when a guy's held up in a pile. No way can a player be expected to not hit somebody because a ref in his peripheral vision is waving his arms.

in my mind that needs to be part of how penalties are defined. we keep putting rules in place to protect players rather than define the way the game should be played.

obviously i wasn't on the field so i can't say if the whistle was truly loud enough to be heard or not. but i do have to question that assumption based on my perspective and the actions of the players involved. none of whom seemed to react to the whistle. i have a hard time calling that a penalty because i have no idea what i would say to the msu player on how to alter his play to avoid that situation in the future.

if i look at the tape and walk away with the singular respose of, "you did it right". in my mind that can't be a penalty.
 
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The Hockey News: Rory Boylen's Blog: THN.com Blog: More rules won't stop injuries
For lack of a better, appropriate term, crap happens.

It’s crude, harsh and to the point. And it’s also an explanation for a lot – not all, but the majority – of hits in hockey that lead to injury and ensuing outcry.

We all know the arguments. I’m going to say it’s a fast-paced, physical game that can turn bloody at any given moment, because that’s the nature of the beast and the difference between a physical sport and a tactical sport, like baseball. You’re going to tell me there are rules to protect players from serious injuries, pointing out how penalties aren’t being called nearly enough and that the subjectivity of supplemental discipline is a joke. And you’re right.

But I’m right, too.

Recalling my days as a minor hockey official, there’s one kid in particular I think of in debates like these; a tall, lanky, awkward, but strong kid running around peewee house league.

Whenever he’d chase a kid into the corner you’d almost wince at what appeared to be an impending disaster.

He was often penalized, but it was because he was growing into his frame and was unsure that his positioning and knowledge of his own strength were lacking. He was at the age where he was just beginning to learn how to hit. (Mix him with another skater who didn’t understand how to take a hit properly and anything could have happened.)

You had to notice him in the stands, too, especially as a parent of the other team. Everyone in the rink knew what the deal was with this kid and in the few instances where he injured someone as a result of a solid hit, you bet I was being yelled at for not calling a penalty.

But. Crap. Happens.

Did he deserve to be penalized? Not every hit. Did he deserve to be kicked out of minor hockey simply because he was big and physical? Absolutely not. The kid was always smiling and he’d respect the rules enough to not argue with officials or escalate a play post-whistle. He loved the physical outlet, but he wasn’t a goon with an eye to injure.

You can’t throw players under the bus for clean bodychecks – ones you learn how to throw from a young age – just because they lead to injuries. When a player cutting across the middle with his head down gets his block knocked off by a lowered shoulder, it’s an unfortunate, but not necessarily an illegal or inexcusable hit. Penalize them all you want for charging or interference or whatever other infraction may apply in a given situation – and, please, suspend the egregious checks – but you can’t chastise somebody for playing the game the way it was intended.


By suspending players for hits like the ones we’ve seen recently from Dion Phaneuf and Mike Richards, you’re blurring the lines more than you’re defining them. Employing a head shot rule to apply for all hits without any room for discretion puts the blatantly illegal and textbook checks in the same boat. And that doesn’t teach anyone anything.

Isn’t it just as bad if a star sits for laying a textbook bodycheck as it is if a star misses time because he was injured? What exactly is being accomplished there?

The focus of this debate should be on effectively deterring and punishing the elbows, charges, etc., but instead we’re focused on doing everything to prevent injuries and that isn’t right.

Crap. Happens.

Just like the obstruction crackdown, it’s not new rules that need to be made, it’s old ones that need to be tightened.

Send the harsh messages where it’s necessary; everyone will take notice and it will have a significant impact on horrific hits and ones across the middle, without penalizing clean checks. But if you think anything will put an end to hits, dirty or clean, that lead to injury, you’re nuts.
It’s exactly like having that aggressive kid skating around the ice – he could harm somebody at any time, but more often than not everything was fine. He was certainly watched, and when he crossed a line he was penalized, sometimes two minutes, sometimes five – and once booted from the game. He eventually started learning and became less dangerous, but he was a big kid whose nature it was to play physical and you couldn’t tell him that was wrong. No matter what you did besides abolishing him forever, that threat was always there.

Blurring the lines between right and wrong would only confuse the kid and not teach him anything. As long as he’s out there it makes no difference.

Eventually, crap will absolutely happen.


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There is no question that Ontario Hockey League commissioner David Branch's decision to suspend Michael Liambas for his hit on Ben Fanelli for the rest of the OHL regular season and playoffs is remarkably harsh.

I would submit, though, that it is, in a sense, also courageous in nature.

Not many people within the hockey establishment will agree with that assertion. Fair enough, everyone has their own perspective and the conventional hockey culture wisdom is as follows: As long a hockey player uses his shoulder, keeps his feet on the ground and doesn't blatantly hit an opposing player from behind, the hitter is encouraged to travel as fast as he can as far as he needs to in order to hit a player as hard as he can.

Many would suggest that is the very essence of the game.

Except in this case Branch, and the referees working the Kitchener Rangers-Erie Otters' game on Saturday night, decided that a foul was indeed committed by Liambis. It was, in the eyes of the OHL, deemed to be a dangerous cross between charging and boarding with tragic consequences. Fanelli is in serious but stable condition in a Hamilton hospital with a fractured skull and broken orbital bone and facial laceration. While it is somewhat encouraging that Fanelli has gone from critical but stable condition to serious but stable, we still have no real prognosis for Fanelli's future, both in terms of the young boy's quality of life, never mind whether he'll ever play the game again.

Many would say there was no significant evidence of malice on the part of Liambas, that hockey is a physical, often dangerous game and while Fanelli's injuries are nothing short of tragic, bad things sometimes happen to good people and it is all part of the inherent risk of playing the world's fastest, most physical team sport.

All of that is, to varying degrees, true of our favorite sport.

But Branch is obviously trying to send a message here, though as one NHL team executive wondered out loud today, what precisely is that message?

A cynic would suggest Branch has taken the first step towards eliminating hitting from the game.

For me, though, it's a statement that the way the game is being played now needs to change, or at least be intensely re-examined.

Hitting has always been part of the game and hopefully it always will be, but make no mistake, the type of hitting we are seeing in all hockey leagues with increasing frequency is unlike anything that has gone on in the hockey I've been watching in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and to some degree in the 1990s too. The game we are watching today, whether it's in the OHL or the NHL, changed massively coming out of the lockout in 2004. With each passing year the game has become faster and faster, the hitting harder and harder. Players are regularly hit more violently into the boards yet many nights, a simple boarding penalty is nowhere to be found.

Virtually all of the obstruction and restraining fouls have been taken out of the game, giving the players – bigger, stronger and faster than ever – a game with no speed limits and no speed bumps.

I firmly believe a hit like the one Liambas laid on Fanelli never would have taken place in the pre-lockout years. Fanelli's defence parter or a forward would have impeded Liambas from taking such direct line at breakneck speed to hit Fanelli. Now, though, the game is all about transition. As soon as Fanelli took possession of the puck, every player on his team was focused on getting in motion and beginning the attack.

Now, I am not advocating we go back to a type of play where attacking forwards are clutched and grabbed and preventing from getting in on the forecheck. The game is as good as it is now in large part because those forwards are free to pressure the other team. But for anyone to suggest there isn't a dramatic increase in the number of potentially catastrophic hits – remember, Newton's Second Law, force equals mass x acceleration – is living in a fantasy world. The injuries, many of them to the head, are not figments of someone's imagination.

Bob Clarke, the former Philadelphia Flyer great, was on 'Off The Record' on TSN today and said with the NHL rules as they currently exist, he wouldn't want to be a player in today's NHL because it's "too dangerous."

Bob Clarke? Too dangerous? That's astonishing.
It's one thing for a non-playing media person to make that assertion, quite another coming from a Hall of Famer of Broad Street Bully fame.

There's a reason why players are getting their brains scrambled at an astonishing rate. There's a reason why so many players are currently injured. It's because the game is being played so differently. It's like Ottawa GM Bryan Murray mused the other day when he said maybe, just maybe, the game is almost too fast now. The hockey traditionalists who claim hitting has always been part of the game and get their backs up because someone dares to question the culture of the game and its acceptance of the status quo don't seem to get the seismic shift that has occurred. And the by-product is an alarming quantity and quality of serious injury.

So I think what Branch was saying – and I realize many will brand this hockey heresy – is that a player must think and make a judgment call before he delivers what could be a catastrophic blow. Hey, we're never going to eradicate injury from the game. And some of them may be serious injuries and all that is understood. It's an inherently dangerous game – always has been; always will be, to some degree.

But we need to make some adjustments. Too many hits have become nuclear in nature. There at least needs to be a discussion on how to limit the fallout.

And Branch's decision, harsh as it may be, is the catalyst to do exactly that.

There's another point that needs to be made here, too.

Branch oversees a junior hockey league. It's not the NHL. It's not professional hockey although the players there are desperately trying to get to pro hockey. The vast majority of the players who play in the OHL will not make their living at the game. The NHL is a different kettle of fish entirely yet there's little desire to admit that. Most fans simply think of it all as hockey and subject it to the same sensibilities. Well, they shouldn't.

Kids playing junior hockey deserve a somewhat safer environment than that. And I think Branch, better than anyone, understands that.

That's why in the past he's been lightning quick to react to specific instances that most fans simply write off as a part of the game.

A player gets his throat cut by a skate blade. Within days, Branch has OHL players wearing mandatory neck guards.

Concussion issues? The OHL is the only one of the three Canadian major junior leagues to have a head-checking penalty.

Senior 'A' player Don Sanderson dies in a hockey fight when his helmet comes off and the OHL immediately institutes a rule about keeping helmets on in fights.

Branch has historically acted swiftly and decisively on these safety issues and received a storm of criticism from hockey traditionalists who feel he's messing with the fabric of the game, that's he's a dangerous subversive who overreacts to unavoidable misfortune.

But Branch has been undaunted through it all and today's Liambas decision reinforces that. As the commissioner of the OHL, he has three constituencies he must serve. One is the players, and their parents, who make a conscious decision to play in the OHL. Two is the fan base who buys tickets and drives the economy of the OHL. And three are the OHL owners who are effectively Branch's bosses. If Branch fails his first two constituencies, the third would not hesitate to cut him loose. But the fact is the OHL is thriving on so many levels.

The easiest thing in the world for Branch would have been to suspend Liambas for 5 or 10 or 20 or even 30 games. There would have been a reaction but not like this. But Branch obviously felt strongly and that he needed to take it to a level many hockey people cannot even comprehend.

All I know about Branch is that he has done this job for a long time – more than 25 years - and done it exceptionally well. He has integrity and he has served his constituents – the players and their parents, the fans and the owners – extremely well. He knows his league, he knows his constituents and as adverse as the reaction to his decision may be, his track record suggests he has a highly-defined sense of right and wrong and is unafraid to do what he thinks is right for the best interest of the league.

Attendance, profit, player development and ability to attract players of all stripes to play in the OHL suggest he's been on the right track. Could the Liambas decision be his undoing? Branch's constituents will ultimately decide that but if history is any indication, this ruling will be no different than any of the controversial calls Branch made in the past.

I'm not saying Branch's decision to suspend Liambas for a whole season isn't fraught with peril. There will be questions about consistency, whether a 20-year old tough guy such as Liambas, with marginal point totals and significant penalty minutes, was too easy a target and what will happen if a star player makes the same sort of hit. Personally, I would rather have seen Branch suspend Liambas for a lesser time – 20 or 30 or 40 games still would have sent the same message – as I fear this equivalent of a junior hockey life sentence almost gets lost in the sheer severity of the suspension.

Now, all anyone is talking about is the length of the suspension, not so much about the hit that caused it.

But what's done is done.

Make no mistake; there should be no celebration here. There are no winners. There's a 16-year old kid in a Hamilton hospital and he's in a real bad way and no one knows for sure what his future holds. As for Liambas, he isn't the devil. He is, by all accounts, a good kid, a bright student, a good teammate and a solid member of his community. He is unquestionably distressed and distraught over what has happened because it was never his intent. In his own way, he's a victim too, though no one should equate that to what Fanelli is experiencing. Let's hope Liambas is able to work his way through this and as disappointing as losing his final season of junior eligibility may be, if he chooses to continue playing the game he will have some options to do that. And let us pray that Ben Fanelli recovers and can become whole again.

So now, as best we all can, it's time to move forward. The good, if there's to be any of that from this sad situation, is to at least engage in the dialogue on how the post-lockout game is played and whether, at the junior hockey level in particular but also at the NHL, there needs to be any adjustments made to mitigate the potential for catastrophic injuries.

The players who play this game deserve at least that. They're worth it.

the hit
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9unlpJMAVHA]YouTube - Michael Liambas Hit On Ben Fanelli (Erie Otters VS Kitchener Rangers) OHL[/ame]


granted he has a history
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow7csCcRSKs]YouTube - John Tavares hit from behind by Michael Liambas[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sx3rHbhQM]YouTube - Liambas drills Legein, then fights Foreman and beats him[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Qo2B7imkI]YouTube - Liambas drills Zamec then fights him[/ame]

youtube his name youll find more, some clean, some dirty, lots of fights, etc
 
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A ban on the three-point stance? NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says it's possible.

Concerned about concussions, Goodell said the league will keep looking for ways to make the game safer. Speaking on CBS's "Face the Nation" hours before the Super Bowl, he didn't rule out the idea of banning the three-point stance for linemen to reduce the ferocity of collisions at the line of scrimmage.

"As you'll see tonight, you'll see a lot of players that never get down in a three-point stance," Goodell said Sunday. "So it's possible that would happen."

While science is still trying to determine the long-term effects of concussions, Goodell said, the league has made progress in increasing awareness about the severity of such injuries.

"For many years the culture had been quite different - that concussions weren't serious injuries," he said. "I think we have changed that culture and made sure that people understand they are serious, and they can have serious consequences if they're not treated properly."

Goodell has met with NFL competition committee co-chair Rich McKay to begin evaluating possible rules changes.

.../cont/...

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Muck;1656990; said:
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Between this ruling and the 'you may not hit him in a box, or with a fox, you may not hit him near his hair, his feet or anywhere' protection on QBs, maybe we'll institute a two hand touch rule on QBs within the next decade. Given them a no-contact jersey and blow it dead any time they are corralled.

They don't like dual threat QBs anyway, so it might be a natural fit.
 
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NHL players, GMs weigh in on renewed head shot debate
the nhl is once again weighing headshots.

lots of comments
some good, some bad. big names chiming in.

colie campbell weighed in also.
NHL VP and Director of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell summed up his dilemma quite concisely.
"We do penalize everything else; a punch, an elbow, a cross-check or a push from behind where he injures the player's head," said Campbell. "The question really is, 'Do you want to take shoulders to the head out of the game of hockey?'" (For more on that, check out Bob McKenzie's latest blog).
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General managers expected to OK new standard against head shots - USATODAY.com

personally i say abolish the instigator. next time ovie leaves his feet for a headshot all 6-8 275lbs of the boogie man will crawl over the wall and solve that problem (again) real quick. while the guys with a couple of orange bands can attempt to control the game, five skaters can enforce the rules of the game...
 
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Brain Injury

My heart goes out to the Eastern Oregon player and all connected with that player.

The human brain. What a miraculous organ. It is so fragile yet durable. At times so limited and at other times so diverse and so evolutionary and capable. So capable of rewiring and recovery yet tender enough to leave a person totally incapable.

Never take it for granted what a tremendous gift.

I learned first hand about this.

I am no better than anyone else but a testament to the brain and its incredible power.

Traumatic Brain Injury. No brain waves at one point. Coma for two weeks. Prognosis-- would never walk, talk or be functional again.

5 months at OSU and then Dodd Hall. Therapists who are Angels worked with the injured, patiently every day. Had to learn to walk-talk-shower-read everything from scratch.

I saw patients who never recovered and were violent and profane.

7 months-return to work continued to heal. The brain injury takes a long time for recovery. Outside you look fine. Inside, much slower and much turmoil. Those around you suffer as well.

Continue to learn every day and recover.

Moral of the story: Thank God for what you have and all the wonderful people around you. Continue to work on your personal intellect. Hug your kids and wife every day. Enjoy the sunrise. Laugh like a little kid. Volunteer time to help others. Do something profoundly positive every day. Never Surrender.

Say a little prayer for the Eastern Oregon player and family.
 
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