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looks like big vern will be challenged by the new coaching staff...

The Vernon Gholston situation will be fascinating to watch. Ryan is convinced he can turn Gholston around. This is one area I have to see to believe. During Ryan's presentation to the media yesterday he had something about his philosophy on players. Basically he doesn't want to coach effort. He labeled players with talent but without motivation, "pretty girls." I think that fits Gholston.

Here's more of Rex on Gholston:

"Your top picks, they should be great players. You get Revis, he should be a great player well he is a great player. I know you've got other guys like Gholston, we hope he can be a great player. A lot of us aren't sure but we're going to find out. If he can't do it for me and for this team, he's never going to do it. He's going to get the opportunity and he's going to get coached a lot harder than he thinks."
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Jets' new defensive coordinator says he saw red flag on Gholston in college
by Dave Hutchinson
Thursday January 22, 2009

Jet Vernon Gholston made zero impact during his rookie season.Boy, this new speak-your-mind fever spreading through the Jets' Florham Park training facility is great. We beat writers didn't even get answers this straight under my old pal Herm Edwards.

New Jets defensive coordinator Mike Pettine is the latest to step to the mike and here are a few highlights:

On first-round disappointment Vernon Gholston: ``Obviously, we all know what he did at the combine but being in shorts is one thing and actually how it carries over to the field is another. We liked him (in the draft) for sure, but some of the issues that he came in with ... there was a lack of consistency in some of his play. He would flash brilliance for two or three plays, then disappear.

``That's one thing we had in our notes. If he ended up a Raven, he'd have to work on being more consistent. For a physical standpoint, he's got all the tools. I'm looking forward to meeting Vernon and seeing what makes him tick. If the guy's got it in him, we're gonnat get it out of him.''
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Jets' new defensive coordinator says he saw red flag on Gholston in college - New York Jets Football - NJ.com
 
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Jets' new 'D' leader will put pressure on Gholston

BY ERIK BOLAND |[email protected] January 23, 2009
Vernon Gholston, you're on notice.

For the second straight day, a Jets coach discussed in blunt terms the team's top draft pick last year.

After being introduced as coach Wednesday, Rex Ryan told Jets beat reporters that Gholston will have to "humble himself" and be open to coaching.

"We hope he can be a great player," Ryan said. "A lot of us aren't sure, but we're going to find out. If he can't do it for me and for this team, he's never going to do it."
Yesterday it was defensive coordinator Mike Pettine's turn. Pettine, who has been associated with Ryan in Baltimore the last seven seasons, said Gholston was on the Ravens' draft board last April.

"I thought that he was a tremendous athlete if you just look at what he did at the Combine, but being in shorts is one thing. How it carries out on the field is another," Pettine said. "We liked him [at Ohio State]. Some of the issues - lack of consistency in some of his play. He would flash brilliance for two or three snaps and then, for a while in the game, he would disappear."

In Gholston's rookie season, he was hardly there. He had only 13 tackles and no sacks, struggling in his conversion from down lineman at Ohio State to outside linebacker.

But Ryan and Pettine believe their 3-4 scheme has the best chance to bring out Gholston's strengths, and not just his. The reason, Pettine said, is the flexibility of Ryan's version of the 3-4.
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Gholston: 'I got a lot out of my rookie year'
February 15, 2009

Second-year OLB Vernon Gholston, in an interview last week with the Daily News, shares his thoughts on his disappointing rookie season, his impressions of the new defense under Rex Ryan and Lawrence Taylor's career as a dancer.

On his rookie year, in which he had no starts, no sacks and only five tackles: "Obviously, I didn't get everything accomplished that I wanted to accomplish. With me, everything in the past is not what it's going to be. Of course, you'll have adversity and difficult situations will come up and that's part of growing. I got a lot out of my rookie year - coming to the NFL, learning how things go, playing on the field a little bit. I think it was tremendous in terms of my growth. I think it will make me a better player for this year."

On going sackless: "I really don't get into statistics. I think the biggest measure of a team is wins and losses. My personal stats aren't really an issue. From the outside point of view, I guess me being on the field more, I wish that had been the case."

On whether it stung to be a healthy scratch in Week 15 against the Bills: "It did a lot, I can't say it didn't ... But I don't think there's any doubt around here on whether I can play the game or not. Obviously, in college, I was a good player. It's about getting back to what makes me a good player."

On the Terrell Suggs comparison by Ryan, who, in his opening news conference, mentioned Suggs' early struggles as a rookie: "He told me about that. I guess everybody kind of points it toward me ... Terrell Suggs is a great player. He was a great player in college, but it's two different situations. To say the same thing is going to happen in this case, I don't know. It's a different team and there probably will be different tweaks in the defense. I'm not even sure where I'll be at. We have to wait and see, really.

(For the record, Suggs' struggles weren't as significant as Ryan made them out to be. From all accounts, Suggs had a sluggish rookie minicamp in 2003, but he finished the season with 12 sacks, including a sack in each of his first four games. But, hey, it's a good motivational carrot, right?)

On Ryan's attack-style defense: "I like to definitely go for the quarterback. That's definitely exciting."

On whether he plans to meet again with Lawrence Taylor, who provided some pointers in a meeting during the season: "I talked to him not long ago. I'm still looking to sit down with him again."

On whether he could learn any dancing moves from Taylor, an upcoming contestant on "Dancing With the Stars": "They say it works hand-in-hand (dancing and pass-rushing moves), so I wouldn't be against it."
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Gholston's rookie struggles tell cautionary combine tale
By Thomas George | NFL.com
Senior Columnist

Since the 1995 NFL Scouting Combine, when Mike Mamula turned heads with his spectacular workouts but upset stomachs with his eventual pro career, the Boston College defensive end/linebacker has served as the primary, cautionary combine tale. The lesson stressed was for teams to be leery of falling in love with collegiate players in shorts who fanatically prep for and then shine in Indianapolis.

It is a piece of their job interview, not the total picture, teams reminded themselves. Look deeper. Look for that innate football passion. Gauge and link it all with game video that does not lie and on-field production in pads that is measurable.

Mamula still frequently strikes that kind of conversation among NFL personnel executives and scouts, especially when the combine arrives.

New York Jets linebacker Vernon Gholston does not seek to replace Mamula as that guy, that example, the freshest reminder. But based on his riveting 2008 combine and his undistinguished rookie season that followed, in some circles, Gholston already has.

"Safe to say," one long-time NFL personnel executive said last week, requesting anonymity, "that Vernon Gholston is the bust of the 2008 draft."

Harsh. And given the fact that he is only 23, left Ohio State as a junior, missed early offseason work a year ago because of his class obligations with the Buckeyes, was moved from aligning as a college down defensive end to a pro stand-up linebacker, was part of a struggling Jets defense overall and has a new defensive-minded head coach (Rex Ryan) and new scheme, it is too early to define Gholston as a bust.
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Gholston's rookie struggles tell cautionary combine tale
 
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I'm tired of people acting like Vern was only a combine freak. It's not like his draft stock just came out of nowhere. The dude was a beast on the d-line, and I'm pretty sure he was considered one of the best rushers in the draft before the combine.

People are looking back on it and acting like his draft stock was based on just his combine. Everyone knew he was going to be ridiculous at the combine, it's the fact that he had more sacks in one season than anyone in Ohio State's history that got him his credibility as a rusher..
 
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If you are going to trash someone, at least have the balls to identify yourself.

"Safe to say," one long-time NFL personnel executive said last week, requesting anonymity, "that Vernon Gholston is the bust of the 2008 draft."


what a pussy
 
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fourteenandoh;1410819; said:
If you are going to trash someone, at least have the balls to identify yourself.

"Safe to say," one long-time NFL personnel executive said last week, requesting anonymity, "that Vernon Gholston is the bust of the 2008 draft."


what a pussy
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In all fairness, would you want Vernon to know if you called him a bust? :p






I agree with you.
 
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Jets' Ryan not giving up the Gholston ghost
February 20, 2009
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham

INDIANAPOLIS -- For the second year in a row, the New York Jets expect Vernon Gholston to be an impact player.

Jets fans would settle for barely noticeable.

"I would anticipate Vernon having a big year for us this year," Jets coach Rex Ryan said Friday at the NFL scouting combine.

Ryan was speaking in sparkling Lucas Oil Stadium, next door to a pile of rubble that was the RCA Dome, where Gholston's performance last year infatuated the Jets enough to draft the Ohio State pass rusher sixth overall.

Gholston was a rookie ghost. He recorded one solo tackle and four assists. Of the 23 Jets who made their tackles list, Gholston ranked dead last. He played 15 games, started none and was a healthy scratch in Week 15.

But Ryan sees immense potential in Gholston, a freak of stature who played defensive end at Ohio State and struggled to learn outside linebacker.

"He's the type of physical presence that you look for," Ryan said. "What's happened in the past is in the past. We focus on our future and what's in front of us.

"I can tell you this: Vernon's been working out already. He's been through meetings. He sits with [defensive coordinator] Mike Pettin. Vernon Gholston wants to be an outstanding football player. He's showing a great passion for it. I would anticipate Vernon having a big year for us this year."

Ryan was asked if he would make Gholston his pet project.

"Anybody with ability, we've got to get the most out of all our guys," Ryan replied. "If that means I'm going to take a bigger turn at him, maybe that's factual. That might be a true statement."
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Jets' Ryan not giving up the Gholston ghost - NFL Nation - ESPN

On if his view of Ohio State players has changed any after drafting Vernon Gholston with the sixth overall pick last year...

I think everyone's unique. I have a lot of respect for Coach (Jim) Tressel. Obviously, his record speaks for itself, the people he gets there both on his coaching staff and obviously with his players. We're always looking for good players regardless of where they come from. I have a good relationship with Coach Tressel, and again, I have all the respect in the world for their program (and) what they've accomplished.
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Jets' 2008 first-round pick Vernon Gholston has scouts cautious at NFL combine
BY Rich Cimini
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, February 22nd 2009

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Vernon Gholston's first year with the Jets has scouts wary at the NFL combine.

INDIANAPOLIS - One year later, Vernon Gholston still is creating a buzz at the NFL scouting combine - but not all positive.

Gholston, coming off a washout rookie season with the Jets, is the new cautionary tale for pro scouts: The workout wonder who raised his draft stock with a monster combine, then flopped on the field.

After leaving Ohio State as a junior, the 6-3, 265-pound Gholston sprinted like a running back (4.65 seconds in the 40) and pumped iron like an offensive lineman (37 reps on the 225-pound bench press) in Indianapolis, numbers that still awe scouts. Then-coach Eric Mangini was smitten with the sculpted defensive end-turned-linebacker, and the Jets chose him with the No.6 pick.

You know the rest - no starts, no sacks and only five tackles as a rookie.

"He had good sack numbers (in college), but he didn't do anything else," said an NFC scout, whose team rated Gholston as only a third-round prospect. "The thing is, when someone has a workout like that, I can promise you, the coach says, 'I can make this kid a player.'"

It happens all the time in scouting, general managers paying more attention to the stopwatch than game tape.

"Obviously, we scout the all-star games, we come to the combine and we go to the pro days, but what they do on the field is most important and what we lean on the most," Giants GM Jerry Reese said.
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fourteenandoh;1410819; said:
If you are going to trash someone, at least have the balls to identify yourself.

"Safe to say," one long-time NFL personnel executive said last week, requesting anonymity, "that Vernon Gholston is the bust of the 2008 draft."


what a pussy
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You know what? That guy is right.

The Jets should trade him to the Browns for a Crave Case.
 
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