BuckTwenty
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Wait... so you're saying the SEC majority was against it?
Enact this early signing period. PRONTO!
Enact this early signing period. PRONTO!
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I think an early signing period might also lessen the possibility of recruiting violations or people spreading rumors about individuals making certain violations:). In addition, it also might bring more harmony amongst coaches and that certain coaches could not poach
players who have committed early since they have signed.
players who have committed early since they have signed.
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Buckskin86
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Early signing date unlikely in football
Topic gets more buzz, but opinions are split
Sunday, June 29, 2008
By Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Jim Tressel on signing day: "The ideal time would be Aug. 1. Then (recruits) can say to their high school teammates, 'Look, I'm focused on you. My senior season in high school is all about you guys.'"Jonathan Newsome was ready to apply his John Hancock if given the chance.
Early last week, the blue-chip linebacker from Cleveland Glenville became the 23rd commitment to Ohio State's fast-filling 2009 recruiting class. Like the other 22, he must wait until Feb. 7 to actually sign a national letter of intent.
But what if college football were like college basketball? What if it had an early signing date for prospects who know where they want to go?
"I know for a fact I'm going to Ohio State, so if they had a signing day tomorrow I would sign," Newsome said. "If they don't have one tomorrow, then I'll sign in February."
He laughed, but he wasn't kidding. That's one reason why calls for an early signing day for football are getting louder.
"So many of these prospects are getting so much information at an earlier age that many are ready to decide much earlier," OSU coach Jim Tressel said.
The coaches in the Southeastern Conference voted 9-3 in May to push for an early date. Their immediate bosses, the athletic directors, quickly shot down the idea, saying more study was needed.
Indeed, there's no consensus on when the early signing day should be. SEC coaches proposed the first Monday before Dec. 1, in accordance with current recruiting rules that don't allow a prospect to take an official visit to a college until after he starts his senior academic year.
That's not early enough for Tressel.
"The ideal time would be Aug. 1," he said. "Then they can say to their high school teammates, 'Look, I'm focused on you. My senior season in high school is all about you guys.' "
"All that Dec. 1 will do is distract the player in his senior season more than he is distracted by the regular February signing date," Tressel said. "That being said, there would have to be more tweaks made in our current system if we do implement an early signing period."
BuckeyeXtra - The Columbus Dispatch : Early signing date unlikely in football
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Interesting. I'm with JT...if a kid decides before his senior season, it is usually to focus on his team. If coaches keep calling anyways, it defeats the recruits wishes. I think it should be an option but I agree that it should be researched better. Recruits are getting more info earlier now, and the process is speeding up quickly. The only real downside I see to an early signing period is racing to get your class filled up before you have a chance to evaluate enough prospects...however, I guess that leaves the responsibility on the prospect to get his name out there earlier. Ok, so another downside...a recruit signs early but wants out for this reason or that. With as many switches as you do see, even if it gets old to us, the recruit feels it is in their best interest. Obviously one would say only decide if you are completely sure, but didn't Nic DeLillo commit to Clemson and Pitt after he was absolutely sure? Also, you may just see an increased ammount of poaching near the early signing day, which would still disrupt the recruits training for their senior year if it was August 1st. I'm not really sure where I sit on this one.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Personnaly I'm For It
An early signing period would give the player some protection; once signed the coach couldn't renege on his promise to give the scholarship and/or coach gets fired before signing period and the new coach doesn't honor the old coaches offers, etc.
An early signing period would give the player some protection; once signed the coach couldn't renege on his promise to give the scholarship and/or coach gets fired before signing period and the new coach doesn't honor the old coaches offers, etc.
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JohnnyCockfight
Beer is God's proof that he loves us.
Urban Meyer has argued against the early signing period because of character issues that can only be observed over time, and the media treatment consequent to a signed recruit's wrongdoing.
For instance, take the DeVoe Torrence situation. With an early signing period, DeVoe may have signed his letter of intent with Ohio State on August 1st. Then what he is accused of still happens. What do you think ESPN, The New York Times, and the like do with that story? I think we all know that they run Ohio State's name through the mud as much as possible. Similar instances could have happened with major programs and recruits like Ray Williams, Pat Lezear, and the list goes on.
And maybe you write in an exception that where a recruit is alleged to have committed certain crimes, the school doesn't have to honor the commitment. But I think the media stills finds a way to wrongfully trash the school in those situations.
For instance, take the DeVoe Torrence situation. With an early signing period, DeVoe may have signed his letter of intent with Ohio State on August 1st. Then what he is accused of still happens. What do you think ESPN, The New York Times, and the like do with that story? I think we all know that they run Ohio State's name through the mud as much as possible. Similar instances could have happened with major programs and recruits like Ray Williams, Pat Lezear, and the list goes on.
And maybe you write in an exception that where a recruit is alleged to have committed certain crimes, the school doesn't have to honor the commitment. But I think the media stills finds a way to wrongfully trash the school in those situations.
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JohnnyCockfight;1195050; said:
They report that the recruit has changed their verbal to West Virginia
But seriously, I see what your saying. It's funny Urban says that though...he offered and accepted Jeremy Finch's verbal (safety from Indiana) in a time frame of a week. It has nothing to do with that...Urban always manages to steal a few recruits near signing day and that's all he is worried about. However, I can see that being a problem and even though it would allow more time, similar instances have occured with the regular signing period. For example, David Lighty getting in trouble with the BB gun instance. He still signed and made it, but recruits can still get in trouble after Feb., granted they would have more time if there were an early signing period. I would think the NCAA would have a by-law to allow a team to drop a recruit for legal issues though.
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C-busBuck
Um... I got nothin
RB07OSU;1194979; said:
Coaches should only be allowed to call if the recruit continues to show interest.. IE contacts the school first after his verbal commitment. Otherwise. After a verbal commitment, coaches should not be allowed to contact the recruit in any way shape or form. Unfortunately, it never works that way.
I would be in favor of an early signing period of AUG 1. Anytime after the beginning of the senior season would be a waste in my opinion. Still, I think the poaching would just begin earlier.
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C-busBuck;1195476; said:
I agree completely. Some recruits are done and know where they want to go, but still get tons of unwanted attention. However, poaching will just be in season earlier as you mentioned. The positive about that though is that it would all be over by the 1st, and not prolonged through their senior year.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Majority of college coaches favor early signing period
After Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez convinced a wide receiver to switch his commitment hours before national signing day, Purdue coach Joe Tiller's terse response ran in newspapers across the country.
"If we had an early signing date, you wouldn't have another outfit with a guy in a wizard hat selling snake oil to get a guy at the last minute,? Tiller said. "But that's what happened.?
Many football coaches have experienced similar situations. That's why there's growing sentiment college football needs an early signing day similar to basketball.
In a recent poll conducted by The Oklahoman, more than 77 percent of the 119 Division I-A football coaches favored an early signing period. A few prefer August, but the majority chose December to supplement the traditional February date.
"It's been gaining momentum the past few years,? said Washington coach Tyrone Willingham, president of the American Football Coaches Association. "I know a lot of coaches are frustrated. But we need to be very prudent. We have to look very carefully at all the issues.?
The No. 1 problem is what date to choose?
Most coaches prefer mid-December, the junior-college signing period. Some coaches want a late December date to allow recruits two additional weeks for official visits. But some fear a signing day during the Christmas holidays and bowl season isn't feasible.
A handful of coaches are lobbying for August so recruits could get it out of the way before their senior season. But August would create a whole new set of issues.
The Big 12, ACC and Big East have been in favor of an early signing day. The Pac 10 has been overwhelmingly opposed.
The SEC has flip-flopped, which is why an early signing day has gained momentum the past year.
Last year, SEC coaches voted 9-3 against an early signing day. This spring, the SEC voted 9-3 in favor.
Official visits are a key issue.
University presidents and athletic directors will not endorse any early signing day without official visits. That's the primary reason SEC presidents and ADs voted down the proposal days after SEC coaches voted in favor.
"How can we sign a guy and he has not made an official visit to our institution?? said Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs. "How can we sign a guy when they haven't had a chance to sit down with the school or college dean and actually go through the process??
Status quo
The majority of coaches believes it would save money and benefit recruits to implement an early signing day. But there's a faction that prefer the status quo, including USC's Pete Carroll and Florida's Urban Meyer.
"Everybody wants to speed this thing up,? Meyer said. "I'm not comfortable signing kids you don't know. I want to quit making mistakes. A mistake in recruiting just devastates a program. The only way to minimize the mistake factor is to get to know someone.?
Texas Tech coach Mike Leach is the only Big 12 coach who opposes an early signing day.
"There's a big push for it right now,? Leach said. "I've always been against it. When I was 18 ? even now that I'm 46 ? the notion that the path in life is so clear cut you don't need time to make a decision, and sometimes reconsider, is ridiculously na?ve.?
Some mid-major programs believe an early signing day would only widen the recruiting gap since BCS schools have larger recruiting budgets and travel advantages.
"It's a rich gets richer, poor gets poorer type of deal,? said Troy coach Larry Blakeney. "The smaller schools already are at a disadvantage. The big boys would get all the guys they want in December and then prioritize the few guys they want in February.?
Middle Tennessee coach Rick Stockstill agrees.
"Schools in the six power conferences would have a huge advantage due to finances,? Stockstill said. "Schools in other conferences are not able to get out as much. Their summer camps aren't as well attended.? Another concern is the large amount of turnover that typically hits late in the year. A recruit may commit to a coach in August only to have that coach fired in November.
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After Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez convinced a wide receiver to switch his commitment hours before national signing day, Purdue coach Joe Tiller's terse response ran in newspapers across the country.
"If we had an early signing date, you wouldn't have another outfit with a guy in a wizard hat selling snake oil to get a guy at the last minute,? Tiller said. "But that's what happened.?
Many football coaches have experienced similar situations. That's why there's growing sentiment college football needs an early signing day similar to basketball.
In a recent poll conducted by The Oklahoman, more than 77 percent of the 119 Division I-A football coaches favored an early signing period. A few prefer August, but the majority chose December to supplement the traditional February date.
"It's been gaining momentum the past few years,? said Washington coach Tyrone Willingham, president of the American Football Coaches Association. "I know a lot of coaches are frustrated. But we need to be very prudent. We have to look very carefully at all the issues.?
The No. 1 problem is what date to choose?
Most coaches prefer mid-December, the junior-college signing period. Some coaches want a late December date to allow recruits two additional weeks for official visits. But some fear a signing day during the Christmas holidays and bowl season isn't feasible.
A handful of coaches are lobbying for August so recruits could get it out of the way before their senior season. But August would create a whole new set of issues.
The Big 12, ACC and Big East have been in favor of an early signing day. The Pac 10 has been overwhelmingly opposed.
The SEC has flip-flopped, which is why an early signing day has gained momentum the past year.
Last year, SEC coaches voted 9-3 against an early signing day. This spring, the SEC voted 9-3 in favor.
Official visits are a key issue.
University presidents and athletic directors will not endorse any early signing day without official visits. That's the primary reason SEC presidents and ADs voted down the proposal days after SEC coaches voted in favor.
"How can we sign a guy and he has not made an official visit to our institution?? said Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs. "How can we sign a guy when they haven't had a chance to sit down with the school or college dean and actually go through the process??
Status quo
The majority of coaches believes it would save money and benefit recruits to implement an early signing day. But there's a faction that prefer the status quo, including USC's Pete Carroll and Florida's Urban Meyer.
"Everybody wants to speed this thing up,? Meyer said. "I'm not comfortable signing kids you don't know. I want to quit making mistakes. A mistake in recruiting just devastates a program. The only way to minimize the mistake factor is to get to know someone.?
Texas Tech coach Mike Leach is the only Big 12 coach who opposes an early signing day.
"There's a big push for it right now,? Leach said. "I've always been against it. When I was 18 ? even now that I'm 46 ? the notion that the path in life is so clear cut you don't need time to make a decision, and sometimes reconsider, is ridiculously na?ve.?
Some mid-major programs believe an early signing day would only widen the recruiting gap since BCS schools have larger recruiting budgets and travel advantages.
"It's a rich gets richer, poor gets poorer type of deal,? said Troy coach Larry Blakeney. "The smaller schools already are at a disadvantage. The big boys would get all the guys they want in December and then prioritize the few guys they want in February.?
Middle Tennessee coach Rick Stockstill agrees.
"Schools in the six power conferences would have a huge advantage due to finances,? Stockstill said. "Schools in other conferences are not able to get out as much. Their summer camps aren't as well attended.? Another concern is the large amount of turnover that typically hits late in the year. A recruit may commit to a coach in August only to have that coach fired in November.
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